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    FBI looks at Pentagon worker in Israel spy probe

    The alleged "mole" working for Israel could have been in a position to influence Bush administration policy toward Iran and Iraq, one of the officials said on Friday.

    However, another government official said the suspect is "not in a level to influence policy."

    "He is an analyst in an undersecretary's office," this official said.

    Sources said the FBI investigation has been going on for many months and more than one government employee is under investigation.

    A senior Pentagon official confirmed to CNN that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "had been made generally aware that the Justice Department had an investigation going on."

    The Pentagon issued a statement Friday, confirming it "has been cooperating with the Department of Justice on this matter for an extended period of time."

    "It is the DOD [Department of Defense] understanding that the investigation within the DOD is limited in its scope."

    CBS News, which first reported the story, said the FBI had developed evidence against the suspect, including photographs and conversations recorded through wiretaps.

    The network said the alleged spy has ties to two senior Pentagon officials: Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith.

    Multiple sources have told CNN that the investigation is well along, and one government official described the evidence against the suspect as a "slam dunk case" and said "there has been no decision to prosecute the individual."

    Officials said the suspect passed classified documents to Israel through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a pro-Israel lobbying group.

    But AIPAC released a statement late Friday calling the news reports "false and baseless."

    The statement said AIPAC learned Friday that "the government is investigating an employee of the Department of Defense for possible violations in handling confidential information."

    A designation of the material as confidential would indicate a much lower level of secrecy than if it had been designated as classified.

    AIPAC said it "is cooperating fully" with government authorities, including providing documents and information and making staff members available for interviews. Sources told CNN that two AIPAC employees have been interviewed in the case by the FBI.

    "Neither AIPAC nor any of its employees has violated any laws or rules, nor has AIPAC or its employees ever received information they believed was secret or classified," the statement said.

    "AIPAC is an American organization comprised of proud and loyal U.S. citizens committed to promoting American interests. We do not condone or tolerate any violation of any U.S. law or interests."

    Washington insiders note that it is not unusual for friendly governments to have access to certain classified information, so even if the allegations are correct, not everyone involved may have thought they were involved in espionage.

    Still, one U.S. source is calling the case "a very serious matter."

    David Siegel, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, denied the allegations.

    "The United States is Israel's most cherished friend and ally. We have a strong, ongoing, working relationship at all levels, and in no way would Israel do anything to impair this relationship."

    An Israeli official in Washington said the U.S. government has not contacted the Israelis about any such investigation.

    Despite the close relationship between the two countries, espionage against the United States on behalf of Israel would not be without precedent. Former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst Jonathan Pollard is serving a life sentence for passing classified material to Israel.

    The Justice Department, speaking for the FBI, refused to comment, saying only, "We cannot confirm or deny the report."

    An FBI spokesman said the bureau has no comment on the CBS report

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    CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

    60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

    At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington.

    The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

    CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy."

    This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome."

    The case raises another concern among investigators: Did Israel also use the analyst to try to influence U.S. policy on the war in Iraq?

    With ties to top Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the analyst was assigned to a unit within the Defense Department tasked with helping develop the Pentagon's Iraq policy.

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has been made aware of the case. The government notified AIPAC today that it wants information about the two employees and their contacts with a person at the Pentagon.

    AIPAC told CBS News it is cooperating with the government and has hired outside counsel. It denies any wrongdoing by the organization or any of its employees.

    An Israeli spokesman said, "We categorically deny these allegations. They are completely false and outrageous." The suspected spy has not returned repeated phone calls from CBS News.

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    I really wonder about that country. It sucks that Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years and they finally have their own country, but, some of the shit they do, they really bring it upon themselves. They should stop building and just give back the land that they took over. They are causing more problems than they are solving them.

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    Quote Originally Posted by yawn
    I really wonder about that country. It sucks that Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years and they finally have their own country, but, some of the shit they do, they really bring it upon themselves. They should stop building and just give back the land that they took over. They are causing more problems than they are solving them.

    Racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NibiruZen
    Racist.
    mmm, yeah it is a little racist, but isreal has been a big problem we caused

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    i dont think it is racist at all...can you explain why you think it is? :happycow:

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    Quote Originally Posted by yawn
    I really wonder about that country. It sucks that Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years and they finally have their own country, but, some of the shit they do, they really bring it upon themselves. They should stop building and just give back the land that they took over. They are causing more problems than they are solving them.
    Quote Originally Posted by NibiruZen
    Racist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Car Enthusiast
    mmm, yeah it is a little racist, but isreal has been a big problem we caused
    Quote Originally Posted by milos
    i dont think it is racist at all...can you explain why you think it is? :happycow:
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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    yes dad

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    isreal gets a lot of support from the us because they are among the few non-arab states in that region. how nice...after world war two we helped set up israel. it did have a lot to do with ww2, but it also had a lot to do with what was going to happen after ww2. the ussr and the united states knew they would be the only nations to really "win" that war. and in order to secure their spot as "superpower" they needed a lot of resources. thus, both countries draft, what their respective publics called "cold war policies". but what both administrations called "grand area policies".

    it is not surprising that israel is one of the countries we offered (and they accepted) nuclear weapons technology. and it isnt surprising that since ww2 much of the "hot spots" have been in the grand area...aka...middle east. and the face of the killer in the middle east after ww2 has been two countries...USA and USSR.

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    Quote Originally Posted by milos
    i dont think it is racist at all...can you explain why you think it is? :happycow:

    The fact that it is a generalization on a large group of people who are prejudiced on a regular basis.

    "They bring it upon themselves."

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    it is not about the group of ppl, it is rather about the country. And if this is the case, then half the topics in this forum about iraq, korea and whatever country are as well

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    No, he said Jews, not Isrealis. Iraq is a country, as is Korea.... Judaism is the religion.

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    Re: how israel influenced the war decision

    Let me clarify myself.

    I really wonder about that country. It sucks that Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years and they finally have their own country. But, some of the shit Israel does, you would start to think that they bring it upon themselves. They should stop building and just give back the land that they took over in the subsequent wars after the land grant that was done after WWII. They are causing more problems than they are solving them.

    And furthermore, threatening Iran isn't helping their situation at all.

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    The problem is, the Bible said that Isreal and it's allies would be triumphant in war.... So, those who claim to be born-again Christians will help Isreal.

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    lol..
    this reminds me of the manchurian candidate..did anyone see this movie?






    AIPAC SECURES WIDE BACKING AFTER SECRETS CHARGES
    Hans Nichols, The Hill, 9/8/04
    http://www.thehill.com/news/090804/spy.aspx

    Lobbyists for an influential pro-Israel group launched into congressional
    overdrive when trails of a Pentagon spy scandal led to their Washington
    office.

    Soon after media outlets reported on the scandal late last month, American
    Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) lobbyists and their political
    liaisons across the country asked Democratic and Republican lawmakers to
    issue public statements in support of America's premier pro-Israel group.

    The House will start its probe "with a record of confidence" in AIPAC, said
    Rep. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.).

    That intense and frantic lobbying effort, which began on the eve of the GOP
    convention and continued unabated in New York, led dozens of lawmakers of
    both parties to testify to AIPAC's integrity before they had been briefed
    by the FBI investigators on the details of the case. Some lawmakers,
    however, stressed that they rose to AIPAC's defense without any prompting
    from the group.

    The FBI is reportedly investigating whether Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin
    passed sensitive intelligence to Israel and the role of two AIPAC employees
    in the matter.

    AIPAC had deployed bipartisan statements in a successful campaign to quell
    the potentially disastrous flow of negative articles in the first cycle of
    an espionage scandal that FBI investigators say is expanding.

    That bipartisan support has also immunized AIPAC from political attacks
    that question the pro-Israel group's patriotism and has shielded it from
    the crossfire of a presidential campaign.

    "As much as we've reached out to members of Congress, they are reaching out
    to us," said Josh Block, a spokesman for AIPAC.

    "Clearly, expressions of support from leaders of both parties in both
    chambers are extremely important and reflect the deep and abiding
    relationship between the U.S. and Israel, and the strong relationship
    between AIPAC and members of Congress," Block said.

    Dozens of key lawmakers from both parties have been briefed by AIPAC
    Executive Director Howard Kohr, say numerous congressional aides. In
    addition, prominent Jewish community leaders across the country - many of
    whom are serious donors - have been phoning their friends on Capitol Hill,
    denouncing the allegation that a Pentagon mole slipped classified documents
    to AIPAC as the scurrilous work of an FBI zealot. ..

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