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Old 05-19-2004, 10:08 PM   #1
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dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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i am starting to believe that when someone says they don't like a certain genre of music that this shows some type of racism, or a type of culture they are intolerent of. and it usually goes if you like rap/alternative you don't like country/classical, or if you like country/classical you don't like rap/alternative, at first i thought it was just that the two genres/groups are different but i can find the same tempo beats in both groups. and after talking to my friends that don't really seem to have a legitimate answer to the question "so what is it you do'nt like about", i am tired of hearing it is just gay or retarded, just wondering if there was some kind of correlation between this situation????

by the way, i like good music, doesn't matter the type as long as it is GOOD
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Old 05-19-2004, 11:14 PM   #2
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

I don't think this is always true. I'm sure there are people that dislike a certian race, they decide they don't like the music most commonly associated with that race. I do not enjoy listening to country music, but that isn't because I don't like cowboys. I just prefer something a little harder. Metallica, Godsmack, things like that. I don't like most rap and hip-hop, but agian, it's not because I dislike african-americans. I have friends that are, and get along great with them. I've never considered myself a racist of any type, but there are types of music I don't enjoy. It depends on the person, and it is often difficult to express why they don't like it. I don't feel it's any different than saying, you don't like a certian kind of food. Just because you don't like chinese food, doesn't mean you are racist agianst the chinese, and I feel it is the same way with music, cars, movies, or anything else.
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Old 05-19-2004, 11:34 PM   #3
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

its because people are quick to assume all country or all rap sucks when they hear the crap being played on the radio.

im with you though, i'll listen to anything i consider good.
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Old 05-20-2004, 12:20 AM   #4
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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its because people are quick to assume all country or all rap sucks when they hear the crap being played on the radio.

im with you though, i'll listen to anything i consider good.


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Old 05-20-2004, 05:31 AM   #5
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

I'd say not always. I love Irish drinking songs but my friends hate them. They're not racist and I seriously doubt they secretly hate Irish.
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Old 05-20-2004, 06:12 AM   #6
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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at first i thought it was just that the two genres/groups are different but i can find the same tempo beats in both groups.


There's more to music than just tempo and beats. There's harmony, instrumentals, vocals, etc.

An a capella singing group will be much different than a Jewish klezmer song, in many different ways.
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Old 05-20-2004, 01:51 PM   #7
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

I listen most of the genres... my problem is with lyrics (rap) and too much noise (hard rock)... but I do not think is related to racism because I enjoy bluegrass and at the same time blues (not counting most of the genres)... I know it sound oldish... but music is more that asses, whores, etc and trying to blow your brains out with loud sounds
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Old 05-20-2004, 08:49 PM   #8
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

A lot of music has a culture behind them. Rap for example was created by african americans to help their struggle with civil rights. Country music has ties to white southern america. Do you know of any black country singers?
I do not like rap, not only because of the sound it creates, but also because the culture behind it. (I am white) But i do not think i am a racist because of that. I make judgements on a person by how they act, not what they look like.
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Old 05-21-2004, 12:29 PM   #9
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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There's more to music than just tempo and beats. There's harmony, instrumentals, vocals, etc.

An a capella singing group will be much different than a Jewish klezmer song, in many different ways.


Absolutely right. Just because you can find the same tempo and or beats in two genres of music, doesn't mean they are somehow equal. Saying that not liking certain kinds of music is based upon racism, with the exception of extreme cases, is absolutely ridiculous. I am white, and from a part of the country where many people (mainly adults) like country. I personally hate it and would rather take a power drill to my temple than listen to it.

My Reasons:
1) I don't like the nasal singing style
2) Toby Keith is a nutbag
3) Don't like the style of guitar playing or the sound of a fiddle.
4) Alot of country has less musical value than a DMX song.
5) I just happen to like almost every other kind of music (I will listen to rap/jazz/blues/classical depending on my mood or where I am), and figure I don't need to give country another chance.

This doesn't mean I'm racist, it just means I have different taste in music. Good taste for that matter, because it's been scientifically proven that country is the bastard child of good music. I also think that suggesting not liking certain genres of music is based upon racism is possibly the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
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Old 05-21-2004, 12:57 PM   #10
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

not saying that it is just tempo and beats are the same that makes two types of genres the same, i am saying that you can find whatever style of music that fits a type of emotion in anykind of music,

generally speaking the two biggest disliked genres of music are rap and country (imo), and that is because people hear the very surface radio songs and singers that are played and are not very representative of the whole genre, its like being racist, most people that i have spoken with that are racist have only been exposed to a small fraction or a group that they do not like and make misconceptions about the whole because of it, just as in music, if you are not opened minded about a type of music then you will not like it before you can even decide if there are good things about it

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I listen most of the genres... my problem is with lyrics (rap) and too much noise (hard rock)... but I do not think is related to racism because I enjoy bluegrass and at the same time blues (not counting most of the genres)... I know it sound oldish... but music is more that asses, whores, etc and trying to blow your brains out with loud sounds


this kinda shows what i am saying, rap is not about the bling, bitches and bass, there are many singers and songs that make good rap songs that don't fall into these stereotypes of rap, not all rap songs have violent lyrics, and not all hard rock is obscenely noisy

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Absolutely right. Just because you can find the same tempo and or beats in two genres of music, doesn't mean they are somehow equal. Saying that not liking certain kinds of music is based upon racism, with the exception of extreme cases, is absolutely ridiculous. I am white, and from a part of the country where many people (mainly adults) like country. I personally hate it and would rather take a power drill to my temple than listen to it.

My Reasons:
1) I don't like the nasal singing style
2) Toby Keith is a nutbag
3) Don't like the style of guitar playing or the sound of a fiddle.
4) Alot of country has less musical value than a DMX song.
5) I just happen to like almost every other kind of music (I will listen to rap/jazz/blues/classical depending on my mood or where I am), and figure I don't need to give country another chance.

This doesn't mean I'm racist, it just means I have different taste in music. Good taste for that matter, because it's been scientifically proven that country is the bastard child of good music. I also think that suggesting not liking certain genres of music is based upon racism is possibly the stupidest thing I've heard all day.


actually man, this is exactly what i am talking about, you have just classified country with toby keith (which i think is 75% douschbag), and the nasally sung country of old, grouped it with the twanging guitar and fiddle sound, if country was a person i think i could officially call that a racist comment, because you have took the (obviously in your opinion) the worst attributes of country music and labeled everything else that way, and i have no idea where you are pulling the comment that "country is the bastard child of good music", country is where rap originated from and rock and roll, actually i think most pop american music today originated from some form of country and gospel of the first half of the 20th century
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:07 PM   #11
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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if country was a person i think i could officially call that a racist comment, because you have took the (obviously in your opinion) the worst attributes of country music and labeled everything else that way, and i have no idea where you are pulling the comment that "country is the bastard child of good music", country is where rap originated from and rock and roll, actually i think most pop american music today originated from some form of country and gospel of the first half of the 20th century



Disliking a particular person is not racism, I can dislike a person, because of what, or who they are, but that doesn't mean I dislike all people with the same racial background. Everybody dislikes certian kinds of music for their own reasons, and may even dislike certian performers of this type of music, but thier dislike of this genre of music doesn't mean they have a dislike of the primary race that sings that music. Personally, I can't stand to listen to Mexican music. Not just because I can't understand the words, but because I don't like the style. Does this make me racist agianst my entire family( I am Mexican by the way), but my dislike for this music, doesn't convey a dislike of the Mexican race.
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Old 05-21-2004, 11:30 PM   #12
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

Not likeing a type of music makes you a racist? How crazy is the question? I guese that since I dont like Watermellons makes me a racist also. Oh and I dont care for Japanese cars that much, I must be a racist. Damn.... Now that I think of it there are all kinds of thing that come from other cultures that I dont like, Even some from my own race. Shit! Now I am Racist against my self..... Is that even possable? This who thing sounds like someones lame way to lable sombody a racist just cause they dont agree with you.
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Old 05-22-2004, 12:36 AM   #13
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

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Disliking a particular person is not racism, I can dislike a person, because of what, or who they are, but that doesn't mean I dislike all people with the same racial background. Everybody dislikes certian kinds of music for their own reasons, and may even dislike certian performers of this type of music, but thier dislike of this genre of music doesn't mean they have a dislike of the primary race that sings that music.


I totally agree with this. Just because I don't like a song or genre does not mean I have anything against those who create the music. I really dislike today's pop music, but I respect the fact that there are artists who are conveying their style and music to the world.
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:07 AM   #14
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

I like most genres of music. The only genre that I tend not to like is goth music. I am not 100% sure why, but if I can't understand what was said in the song and the music is too much for me than I reaaly don't like it. I haven't been exposed all that much to a whole lot of goth music though.
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Old 05-22-2004, 06:10 PM   #15
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Re: dislike of a genre of music = racism?

Only connection between racism and music that I can think of is one that's going on in my country at the moment.

There's a subgenre of dance quite popular at the moment over here (a lot heavier than the regular dance) and that genre gets mostly followed by Neo-nazi's. After big parties etc... (50.000 people or so) a big group often goes in town to find some black guys to beat up etc.

There's also rap that seems to be pointing negative towards white people on occasion.

But there has always been stuff like that. Music based on religion, political choices etc. etc. and so has there been racism in music. But that is only a little part of it.

So to answer your question. No, to dislike a genre is not racism. It's got more to do with how you deal with stereotypes.
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