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05-26-2004, 06:19 AM
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Re: Morality
I think I need to start a new thread....something we can really argue about.
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07-05-2004, 12:56 PM
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Canadian Sex Kitten
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Re: Morality
Excellent discussion topic. I love debating morals and ethics. The thing that stands out in my mind the most is that for the most part, if you take any religion, regardless of what culture it is located in, they all have the same underlying principles: Don't lie, don't steal, don't murder, treat others as you would like to be treated, have respect for some for of higher entity.
If you remove all the trappings of greed and power and ritualism, and strip the religions to the bone, they are very similar. There are things that we as humans just know are right and wrong, regardless of culture. There are exceptions, of course, in terms of psychopaths and sociopaths, and often our perception of right and wrong can be warped by our environment and culture as we grow up. And situations often can call for crossing of lines within our own morals, like the killing someone in self defense.
I believe we are born with certain morals, the way animals are born with certain instincts. Children are not born racist, but instead are taught that by example, for instance.
I have always been interested in what would happen if you could take a child and put them in a totally nonjudgemental atmosphere and simply guide them to adulthood, letting their morals and spiritual beliefs form unhindered by any negativity or guilt.
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07-05-2004, 01:03 PM
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M-O-D-E-R-A-T-O-R
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Re: Morality
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I have always been interested in what would happen if you could take a child and put them in a totally nonjudgemental atmosphere and simply guide them to adulthood, letting their morals and spiritual beliefs form unhindered by any negativity or guilt.
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Very good idea, and I would love to see what would happen with the same thing. I guess your talking about raising them in complete isolation. I could see that as causing insecurities, no social skills, and a lot of fear. Honestly, it probably wouldn't work considering the fact that our culture and moral structure is depended upon others.
However, what would happen if you raised a child with everything backwards? Up is down, down is up, black is white, left is right, etc... 
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07-05-2004, 01:07 PM
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Canadian Sex Kitten
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Re: Morality
No, no, no....not in complete isolation. I am actually talking about a fictional ideal atmosphere which does not exist and thus cannot be tested. It is simply a wonderment on my behalf and holds no possibility of becoming a reality.
And as for raising a child backwards, I'm sure that that is possible as well. Children accept their surroundings as reality, as seen with children raised in cults.
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07-05-2004, 01:10 PM
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No, no, no....not in complete isolation. I am actually talking about a fictional ideal atmosphere which does not exist and thus cannot be tested. It is simply a wonderment on my behalf and holds no possibility of becoming a reality.
And as for raising a child backwards, I'm sure that that is possible as well. Children accept their surroundings as reality, as seen with children raised in cults.
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Your expressing more interest into an enviroment such as Pleasantville, or something where everything is perfect, and everyone is proper...
umm... I guess that would be a good idea... 
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07-05-2004, 01:22 PM
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Canadian Sex Kitten
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Re: Morality
No, I will disagree with your assessment of what I am saying. I do believe that we grow and learn through adversity, build character by what we face, get tested and proven worthy by fire. Pleasantville is not at all what I was thinking. I was referring more to a loving atmosphere, free of racial discrimination, guilt-motivated forms of behaviour control, and judgements. This does not mean that there would be no conflict, but just that the ways of resolving them would be respectful of each individual.
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07-05-2004, 01:35 PM
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I was referring more to a loving atmosphere, free of racial discrimination, guilt-motivated forms of behaviour control, and judgements.
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What you just described, is EXACTLY how the characters were portrayed in that movie.
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"Pleasantville" acquits itself nicely as a 'fish out of water' comedy, with David and Jennifer being confronted with the idiosyncratic characteristics of their new surroundings. However, as the film rolls into the latter half, it becomes a Capra-esque exploration into finding self-fulfillment in a stifling environment where conformity is valued over all else. In addition, "Pleasantville" also becomes an examination of the incessant constant of change, and the strength often required to deal with the consequences of its wake.
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Main Entry: id·i·o·syn·cra·sy
Pronunciation: "i-dE-&-'si[ng]-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -sies
Etymology: Greek idiosynkrasia, from idio- + synkerannynai to blend, from syn- + kerannynai to mingle, mix -- more at CRATER
1 a : a peculiarity of constitution or temperament : an individualizing characteristic or quality b : individual hypersensitiveness (as to a drug or food)
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07-05-2004, 02:21 PM
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Canadian Sex Kitten
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Re: Morality
I guess that is the great thing about this world: there are many different opinions and views and ideals to explore. Thus the many different political parties and styles of music. Thanks for commenting on my posts. I will give your critique of my posts some more thought.
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07-07-2004, 11:31 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: down under
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Re: Morality
Absolutely morals are culturally based. While there are some things that cross boundaries most of them are common sense - don't kill each other - there'll be no one left, etc.
There's a big difference between morality and common sense, I think most of what is common between cultures comes down to common sense in the end (to continue my example above, many middle eastern countries are both historically warlike and have large populations - so while 'dont kill each other' might be common sense in another country, in one of these theoretical countries killing might be ok, as long as its just one large group wiping out another large group, in the end, there's still a lot of people left)
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