bzg

Domestic all the way

dies

Kids, you are all wrong: I reckon Heineken is much better than Bud!

d james

Opps, I meant auto parts store, not hardware--typing to late at night I guess. Still you call up Autozone and see how many parts they carry for foriegn compared to domestic. I just overhauled a volkswagon Cabroilet, I couldn't find parts anyware, hell you can't even rebuild the engine, you must find a used block, if you fry it. Your right that changing overhead cams can be easy at times, but as you say sometimes pulling the engine isn't to fun. Anytime you raise rpms, you exert more force on the parts, as the rods go up and down they get pulled on from each side, its a fact. Now maybe the S2000 has strong internals to handle it, I don't know, but in general Honda's are not made for high performance, but grocery getters. I'm not saying its reliable, might last a very long time, but the idea of having to rev my engine to 8300 rpm just to get to its peak 240 horses doesn't sound to exciting, knowing that I'm maxing the engine out just to feel something. ITs peak torque of 153 at 7500 rpm doesn't even sound like any fun unless your constantly reving wasting your gas. Compare that to the corvette which has 300 lbs ft at 3000 rpm-which is a nice easy on the engine rpm. Even when accelerating on the highway can be very fast without even puting it lower than 6th gear. Of course if the engine internals can handle the stress of high rpm ,than I guess your OK providing you like that type feel. Torque is what gives seat of the pants feel, and most little engines don't provide much(in general, since they are smaller). As far as foriegn cars not going as many miles as domestic--I never said they couldn't, I merely point out that american automobiles can go a million miles. This is the biggest arguement that I hear people claim, and it bothers me to no end. I hear people say "well I chose a honda cause a ford can never go as many miles as them" ITs like a record from some people played over and over again. Of course a foriegn car can go hundreds of thousands of miles, of course like I stated before some foriegn engines can't even be overbored, much like I'm sure some domestic can't be overbored.

Andytsi95

Honda's and more import nowadays are made for performance, becuase they design cars with the "entuhsist" in mind. And of course 4 cylinders cant make as much torque as a v8 or whatever, becuase most of them are 4 cylidners. Higher revs on a 4 cylinder = most amount of torque avialible from the motor. With that in mind, designers or 4 cylinders make thier parts stronger knowing that to get "optimal torque" that they have to push thier RPM's up.

The S2000 is most than capable of holding its own in a RPM battle. Hell the Spoon enegineers make the S2000 motors redline from 8k to 12 - 14k. Thats about as much as a damn bike!

I guess what Im trying to say is, More RPM = Stronger parts.

Andytsi95

Oh and for American Cars going 1,000,000 miles you say, I say bull. Id like to see frame stay together for 1,000,000 miles without any repairs and rebuilds. no one keeps a car for a million miles. and saying an import cant do it just becuase its an import is ignorant.

bzg

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Andy, in Cuba , they do make the cars run that many miles!
Most of the cars over there are late 50's to 60's american made, and they are still running strong. I know several cubans, you should here some of the ways that thay keep these things on the road. It is something else.....

Andytsi95

one million miles???

Thats like driving from New York City to San Francisco 344 times... On the little Island of cuba I dont see it happening. even for a 45 year old car... thats 22,222 miles a year in CUBA...

chingon

taurus SHO

bzg

Ok , maybe a million is a little much. They do get alot of miles out of them.
Check out these links....It is pretty cool....

http://www.imaginature.nl/pages/cuban%20cars.html

http://www.keywest-fl.com/tours/Cars/Cars.html

http://www.traveladventures.org/con.../cubacars.shtml

Tell me that they don't get the most out of a car...LOL

Andytsi95

yeh just imagine the coats of paint that are on those things... jeez.

bzg

That either makes you young or me old......
You need to enjoy a classic..
Here is a classic that I have been working on..
What do you think?

over 450 horse...just motor..

Falcon3

Really, most "foreign" cars are manufactured in the united states so as not to deal with our 3% tariff. I must go with european foreign cars because they're the pinnacle of style and power these days. Best car ever is still the Corvette, however

Andytsi95

Thats really nice! Is that a holley carb? I like old cars don't get me wrong. Always got to remember where i came from

LS1-S10

I really don't get into import tuning, i say each to his own. Ive seen some fast, and ive seen alot that could probably get outran by a vespa scooter. Hell, a lawnmower could be made to run 13's in the 1/4 if you wanted to. I think the term "fast" has grown out of hand. IMHO a car isnt fast unless it can dump a 11 sec 1/4 or better and still be very streetable. Im more into classic and modern muscle cars than anything else. My little weekend warrior is a 79 Z28 named "spooky" and it got that name for a reason. 537 rwhp @ 6700 rpm going through a T56 6 speed :happycow:

But anything thats fast by my standards earns my respect just for the simple amount of work thats gone into the project. Stock sucks, i dont even waste my time to compare stock cars to stock cars. If you get into changing internals it really doesnt even matter what the car does stock because you pretty much change everything that was put in the motor stock to begin with.

I like the LS1 comments, atleast one person brought it up and defended it. This motor is INSANE, just with a simple head and cam swap with some bolt ons and wide band tuning these engines dump anywhere from 430 to 470 hp to the rear wheels depending on how radical of a cam you go. A really good friend of mine is running in the 11's on a cam swap and bolt ons on his 2001 Z28 and still averages about 15 mpg city and 22 hwy. Im planning on hitting high 11's on a BONE STOCK LS1 with minor bolt ons in my S-10 transplant project :happycow: BTW, heres a pic of spooky.