xcmikey

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I couldn't agree more with that. Glad somebody else thinks the same way!!

Andytsi95

Well written mickey (thanks for not bashing the 4g63, or we would have a brawl on our hands). But lets bring this thread to a different subject... Just for the import guys, (domestic guys can put in here too)...

But I want to know which 4 cylinder import motor is the best on the market. We already know my opinion and I will gladly enlighten you on it if someone wants to talk about it. But there are plenty of others out there that are *capable* of power, And some that just have power.

aquadude

Hey, take a look at this:

Crash safety test ratings....MiniCooper trounces a Ford F-150!!!

http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/Cr...ooperVsFordF150

whiteROB

There is no goddamn way,I call bullshit on that one. Keep in mind the last generation F150 was a 5 star frontal crash tested vehicle by the insurance industry since it was redesigned for the 97' model year.

whiteROB

also, even if its legit...a 6000 lb vehicle has alot more force on impact at any given speed than a 2500 lb vehicle will have. Laws of physics... I still dont believe that article.

aquadude

Hmm, I checked the bottom of the article. Here is what I found--



I guess times have changed.

civicex2g

well in regards of import vs domestic, i like any car that has good performance and good reliability, it doesnt matter where it comes from.

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I think euro imports have a degree of character and charm - there is something special about the sound and the way they drive. The better asian imports have amazing build quality.

Sniper

domestic!!!

xman

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I think most of the better manufacturers have good and bad products. It has little to do with their country of origin.

d james

domestics can be every bit as god as imports and vice versa, I think alot plays into which cars are bought, just look at trends like SUV's. I 've worked on both and no matter what they can all suck working on, but parts on forign cars are harder to come by and more expensive.

Andytsi95

what? Have you looked at any aftermarket civic parts? they are all over the place, down to the very last "anodized trim bolt".

d james

Well yes parts for some of the foriegn cars are becoming more available, but still, go to your local hardware store for many foriegn cars and they will say sorry don't carry it or we'll have to order it. Either way doesn't really matter. The reason I like v8's is for the massive amounts of low end torque. You just don't find that on a smaller engine, such as a four banger. The bigger the engine the more torque it will make and at a more streetable rpm range. I read way to many reviews of imports such as the Honda S2000 in which the reviewer states-fun car but no power down low must rev it all the way up to get any power. So for reliability the higher reving engine will wear faster since higher rpms mean more stress on parts. The S2000 V6 gets 20/27 whereas the V8 Corvette gets 19/29. Hard to believe that a bigger engine could get more power and better gas mileage, but the LS1 makes so much torque it uses less gas at highway speeds. As far as technology goes, that engine is right up there with any other. Itsbeen so far very reliable and packs a great punch. Some like to say foriegn cars have more tech--its simply not true, Gm and the others have the same tech, but they have choosen not to use it. For instance an overhead cam, has different qualities, its powerband is different and as someone else said more parts and moe complicated to repair. GM has stated the reason for the pushrod engine still in use is the fact that it produces the power they need and at a much cheaper cost, which of course means a saving to the consumer. PLus the LS1 is also a low emission engine-nice considering the power output. If you don't beleive me look it up. I know for a fact my ranger V6 engine puts out almost 2 tons more crap than the LS1(this might be due to trucks having be allowed more emissions than cars-not really sure). American cars must be reliable, they are the cars with the most miles than any in the world. If you go to Cuba they have kept 50 year old cars going hundreds and hundreds of thousand of miles, despite the lack of parts, since they can't import new ones in, they just rebuild the old ones, or swap engine parts to another different engine. They even make some of their own fluids to run the cars off of. Not saying that a foriegn company can't build a great car, just trying to point out that the engines are all different, and that domestic cars are not behind any others.

Syd

i own two cars one domestic and one import an 86 camaro and a 95 civic and i cant actually pick a favorite sometimes i like to drive one and others time i prefer the other. niether are anywhere near mechanically stock, but as far as looks go they would never make it into a car show or anything. i intentionally made the exteriros look normal, even marginally beat up, neither has loud, loud exhaust so i stay well under the radar. well hopefully.