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Old 05-14-2004, 02:53 AM   #46
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Re: Imports vs Domestics?

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There are plenty more cars than hondas, and ones that WILL be as reliable as a stock one with 300HP on it. Lightly Modded DSM's are reliable up until 400hp, then you might start to look at getting internals changed. Lighty modded RX7's, Old school Evo's. I guess the point in trying to say is that not all car owners are as stupid as honda owners (no offence but 80% of honda owners dont know what they have) We know if we throw on a coffee can, and a rag for a intake that we are just increasing airflow to the engine, and that sooner or later the a/f ratio will have to be upp'ed, or we will have a cutout.

But you can keep making fun of honda owners as much as youd like. :wiggle:


Agreed I actually helped my friend Eric build a high 13 second 2G GSX. He's working on a VR4 right now. As I said, I have respect for both. But racing in a Honda is like. . . ah, nevermind. To each his own. :p lol

Speaking of which, I had a fun time of showing a Prelude SH who tried to pass me in an illegal lane my tail-lights tonight on the way to work :rock: Had a good 4 cars before he knew what hit him :p but I thin it was an auto. . . oh well.
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Old 05-14-2004, 04:18 AM   #47
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Chevy Vs. Ford- if you want speed, Chevy.



This is even better illustrated by the fact that Ford now has to put power-adders (superchargers) on the new Mustang to keep up with the old and new 400 HP Vettes.
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Old 05-14-2004, 05:17 AM   #48
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Re: Imports vs Domestics?

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no way your jackin my thread homie, Ill make it into a different debate...

Who has the better cars...

Chevy vs Ford? why?
BMW vs Mercedes? why?
Honda vs Toyota? why?
Lexus vs Infinity (are they both toyota sub-companies?)


Infinity is a company of Nissan not Toyota.
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Old 05-14-2004, 04:30 PM   #49
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Infinity is a company of Nissan not Toyota.



thanks for clearing that up for me...

"Agreed I actually helped my friend Eric build a high 13 second 2G GSX. He's working on a VR4 right now. As I said, I have respect for both. But racing in a Honda is like. . . ah, nevermind. To each his own. :p lol"

What mods have you guys put on? doesnt take much to get a dsm to run 13's, intake, exhuast, boost control and your high 13's.
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Old 05-14-2004, 04:41 PM   #50
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Re: Imports vs Domestics?

I think the import sports cars of the late 70's and 80's is where it has always been.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:06 PM   #51
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thanks for clearing that up for me...

"Agreed I actually helped my friend Eric build a high 13 second 2G GSX. He's working on a VR4 right now. As I said, I have respect for both. But racing in a Honda is like. . . ah, nevermind. To each his own. :p lol"

What mods have you guys put on? doesnt take much to get a dsm to run 13's, intake, exhuast, boost control and your high 13's.


He really didn't have a lot done. . . he did an intake, header, boost controller and pulley. When he had just the intake and the header, I ran him (he had stock exhaust). Two runs (both from a roll). First one from about 5 he had me by a good car to 90. Second, I got a slight jump and pulled him a car (from 15). After he got the work done, there was no way but at least I'm stock LOL. It was a good guage for him to see where he was @ seeing as I ran a 14.9 @ 92. When he passed me up performance wise from a roll, he figured he was doing pretty well

Wish he still had it, though. It was a sweet car, till some lady in a (you guessed it) Honda sideswiped him.
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Old 05-16-2004, 12:40 AM   #52
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He really didn't have a lot done. . . he did an intake, header, boost controller and pulley. When he had just the intake and the header, I ran him (he had stock exhaust). Two runs (both from a roll). First one from about 5 he had me by a good car to 90. Second, I got a slight jump and pulled him a car (from 15). After he got the work done, there was no way but at least I'm stock LOL. It was a good guage for him to see where he was @ seeing as I ran a 14.9 @ 92. When he passed me up performance wise from a roll, he figured he was doing pretty well

Wish he still had it, though. It was a sweet car, till some lady in a (you guessed it) Honda sideswiped him.



that sucks... so you have a gsx too? 1g or 2g? Oh and just for information, on a turbocharged car they arent called "headers" they are "manifolds".
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Old 05-16-2004, 02:26 AM   #53
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that sucks... so you have a gsx too? 1g or 2g? Oh and just for information, on a turbocharged car they arent called "headers" they are "manifolds".


Nope, I have an 88 IROC-Z convertible w/ a 305 TPI. It's pretty much stock and ran a 14.9 @ 92. Nothing big, but it's choked down. In the process of a rebuild right now (170k on the clock), getting cammed, headers, intake, 3" hi-flo cat and GMMG exhaust, intake runners, etc. Should be mid 13s n/a on drag radials and I'm thinking about spray. . . but probably not :( Anyway, it's fast enough to beat on most of the morons around here lol.
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Edit: Yeah, the cam is a mild one. . . so that's why no big gain. It's mainly designed to give me more HP up top where my motor is lacking. . . pretty much falls on its face past 4500 RPM, and this one is designed to give me about 30 RWHP more to the wheels in the mid-high range (to about 6000).
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Old 05-16-2004, 12:37 PM   #55
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the japs have been doing things right for so long and the americans are just now catching up. they build cars that do with 4 cyl. what the americans have to do with 8. They put alot more into the quality of the vehicle as well. japs arent union turds that are underworked and overpaid.
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Old 05-16-2004, 07:18 PM   #56
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The sound of American Muscle... thats why I now drive a cobra, cant get that deep rumble form an imoport
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The sound of American Muscle... thats why I now drive a cobra, cant get that deep rumble form an imoport


I'll make a sound wave of my car when it's back up. You might change your mind.
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Old 05-16-2004, 10:04 PM   #58
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Nope, I have an 88 IROC-Z convertible w/ a 305 TPI. It's pretty much stock and ran a 14.9 @ 92. Nothing big, but it's choked down. In the process of a rebuild right now (170k on the clock), getting cammed, headers, intake, 3" hi-flo cat and GMMG exhaust, intake runners, etc. Should be mid 13s n/a on drag radials and I'm thinking about spray. . . but probably not :( Anyway, it's fast enough to beat on most of the morons around here lol.



must suck that your friends car is just as fast as yours with half the cylinders (or is a 305 a 6 cylinder? not sure) 4g63 baby :wiggle:
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Old 05-17-2004, 10:55 AM   #59
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I'll add my .02. Why is it that everytime I see a thread like this it turns into a big debate with people slinging mud at someone else's ideas. Personally I drive a domestic ('97 Z 28) and wouldn't have it any other way. I love the way 300+ hp and 330 tq feels upon acceleration, and the rumble from the v8 is music to my ears. However, I do respect guys in imports that have the ablility to take an ecomomy car and make it fast.

I just wish that all of us car enthusiasts could get along and realize that although we may not like what the other side drives, in the long run it's going to benefit all of us. Better r&d, bigger aftermarket, eventually lower prices for parts, etc. Even though I laugh at every Honda with a wing and fart pipe I have to give them credit.

Drew
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Old 05-18-2004, 02:29 AM   #60
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the japs have been doing things right for so long and the americans are just now catching up. they build cars that do with 4 cyl. what the americans have to do with 8. They put alot more into the quality of the vehicle as well. japs arent union turds that are underworked and overpaid.


Meh. . . that sounds like a ricer cop-out to me, no offense. To say Japan is doing with 4 cylinders what America is doing with 8 is a bit harsh, wouldn't you say? High performance four cylinders are few and far between (No offense to Mitsu--the 4G63 is a good motor). The argument is pointless, because it always comes to a head thus:

Oh yeah? Well Jap cars need a power adder to keep up w/ v8s! Turbo the V8 and you're good to go!

Oh yeah? Well that's not stock on the American car. The GSX/VR4/Supra had it to begin with!

My view is this: Sure, on a turbo car you can turn up the boost. To a certain extent, this is great. I love turbo cars and admit to wanting to own a Supra some day (although they're dyno-queens) and I love GSXs (they're soooo sexy!). However, build a v8 for boost and watch it fly (example: Lingenfelter 427 TT Corvette--street legal, runs 1.8 0-60 and 8.9 @ like 150 in the 1/4, spinning the whole way :lol: ) That's by no means the full potential of the car

As far as build quality, I'll admit the US was DEFINITELY lacking for a while (my car being an example :wiggle: ). And yes, they've caught up. . . but it's not like Japan has been turning out super-motors just because they're Japanese or something. . . the DOHC concept has been alive and kicking longer than the cam-in-block design. Ford uses a DOHC setup in their Cobras (not that I'm advocating this). It's not like it's mystical and magical. They're also an ASSLOAD more expensive to work on! I say give me 16v single-cam pushrod seat-of-the-pants performance anyday, and I say 'ni' to any who would oppose me :rock: .

Both sides have thier strong points, but as stated earlier. . . I'm a domestic guy.

And actually, it wasn't too embarassing having a friend w/ the GSX beat me. . . he may have half the cylinders, but he also had a turbo, some mods, and best of all, a car that was 9 YEARS NEWER :lol: My engine is/was tired and will be until it gets rebuilt this summer, so yeah. He would've beaten me anyway, but it's not like a 305 TPI motor is the crown-jewel of Chevrolet history. It was the fastest engine available in the convertible, but they had the 350 in the hardtop cars that would run mid 14's all day long. 2 grand in un-choking the motor and you're in the 12s! And yet, I digress. LOL No one cares about TPI motors. . . they're about the farthest thing from a performance engine that can be had right now in a V8--the LT1/LS1 absolutely KILL them anywhere except for down low, though my car does have a nice bit of torque (with my pulleys, just a shade over 300 lb/ft).

Anyway, I've said this about a million times already, but I like both types of cars. I just think it's ignorant when stupid little teenagers tell me American engines are "outdated and slow" when the reality is that 99 percent of the fast cars on the road are V8s (sorry to say--there CAN be fast 4 and 6 bangers). Honestly, go to a track and 9/10 cars you see below 14 seconds have a v8 between the fenders.

In my dream world, here's my garage:

-my current car (had it since it was new--I was 5)
-Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
-Black 2003 Corvette Z06
-'67 'vette 427 Stingray
-57 Jag roadster
-silver R34 Skyline
-red 95 Supra TT
-2002 Trans Am WS-6
-'97-99 silver GSX
-2002 Lingenfelter 427 TT Sonoma AWD
-67 Camaro Z28 (balanced and blueprinted 302)

See? There's a mix of both (though it's probably weighted quite heavily towards one side of the spectrum :speed: )
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