bzg

Where did you hear that? It has been awhile but from what I remember they were nothing but problems and were pulled off of the line with a quickness.

Andytsi95

we were talking about it in my automotive class with my teacher. Teacher said it was a good idea. Never said anything about taking it off the line though.

bzg

I am not talking about the speed, in concept it sounds like a fantastic idea.
Teachers do not impress me. I have worked with several of them, they may be book smart but are dummer than shit in the real world. If it was such a great idea, GM would have them in mass production. There was a reason they got pulled off the assembly line.

Andytsi95

Hes not a highschool teacher who doesnt know anything, hes a college professor, its a college course im taking and he teches it, hes ASE Certified. But hes a smart ass. maybe he was pulling my leg...

bzg

Anybody that can read a book can become ASE certified. The only one I ever studied for was transmissions. I started doing this in 1982 when I was 18, I have been around cars for a long time....I dont think he was pulling your leg, just giving you his opinion. Everyone has one.

ddh3

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I think that GM first used the cylinder killing idea in the 70's Caddi. Eldorado. I was told it was pulled from production becase GM was unable to make it run smoothly when it was turning on and off the cylinders. The way they achevied this was by turning off the fuel to cylinder and also turning of the spark. Thats all I remember, maybe someone else can remember more.

cmauro

LOL, when I first started reading this thread I was all prepared to discuss imported hops, yeast, brewing methods... but I guess we're not talking about beer... mmmm, beer.

Andytsi95

Well i ttalked to him today and he said that yes caddi did take it off, but if you look at the new HEMI's in the trucks and in the brand new 300m they are bringing back the kill cylinders . But yes they did take them off with the eariler versions.

gliscameria

It's pretty hard to define a domestic/import 'car'. The labor/tech/materials of most every car come from multiple countries. And all these car companies keep buying each other, or at least huge shares of each other.

You just see a lot of POS 'domestics' here because here is where they are from. No one domestic imports a POS.

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anyone who thinks Japan cant make a truck go look at the Nissan Titan. its been rated better than every other truck in its class! amazing truck!

gliscameria

Or the Toyota Tacoma, Nissan Frontier.... Super reliable trucks.

cair0

and don't forget Germany, BMW kicks ass.

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Thre are so few "foreign" cars that this argument is almost not worth having.

Is a Ford Ranger a foreign or domestic? How about a Mazda pickup?
They come off the same assembly line in the US, but are made form parts from other places (electrical system from Mexico, for example). Is it "domestic" because the profits go back to a US company and "foreign" if they go to an overseas company?

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I hate to be the single opposing voice here, but I really do prefer domestics.

I believe both cars have their merits, but all in all, I am still a fan of the 16 valve, cam-in-block, pushrod based v8. It's interesting to hear people talk about technology and reliability in imports that isn't present in domestics. . . let alone gas-mileage. Take, for example, the LS6 motor that comes in the Z06 Corvette, or even its little brother, the LS1 (this can be had in 'vettes, Camaros, firebirds). I have witnessed first-hand that these motors get 22-city and 30mpg highway. I have yet to see a 325-405 HP Honda doing that.

I have also never seen a Honda that runs 300HP be reliable and streetable. Sure, in stock form the cars are very reliable. I am not debating that they are good cars, either. Japan offers many performance cars that I consider respectable, such as the Supra, VR4, Skyline, etc. All can be made fast, and I don't see anything wrong with people modding them. What I do have a problem with is people who get cocky after sticking a huge muffler on their otherwise stock Honda Civic and thinking they have a race-car.

What many people also don't consider is that 16V pushrod motors are also much cheaper to repair. Anyone ever tried to do a cam swap in a DOHC b16A? Never heard of it being done? There's a reason. It's much more expensive than throwing a cam into a 16V motor. They're cheaper to work on, parts are cheaper, and usually more reliable under large power-loads (the one exception being the weak-ass rear-end in 4th gen Camaros/firebirds that won't handle over about 350RWHP, but it's aneasy fix :lol.

As for reliability, I will agree that imports were one-up on domestics for a LONG, long time. My daily driver is an 88 Camaro IROC, and I must say it's not the most reliable car in the world. BUT the superior quality that Honda was putting out (what allowed it to get a niche in the American market) has forced American car-makers to make a more reliable product. The problem begins when people start comparing a Chevy Cavalier/Dodge Neon against a 3000GT and saying that domestics suck.

Both have their merits! At least no one on this board is ignorant and hateful--seems like people are generally pretty cool on this stuff.

As stated, a lot of 'foreign' cars are assembled in the US anyway now lol. . . kinda makes the argument pointless, no?

On the plus side, I hear Nissan is going to be offering a RWD, V8 platform sports-coupe in the near future? It's supposed to be called the GT-R or something lol. . . don't know if it's true?