speechlessques

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From the subject of this thread, its obvious that I am NOT a Bush supporter; never have been and long after he's out of office; I will probably still reflect on what an awful President I think he made. I have friends that are overseas poised to kill innocent civilians because he says so... and I think that war without UN support is just foolish. What is YOUR opinion?

Waldo

well since your a canadian I can understand why you think that

fyi clinton had 3 chances to catch bin laden and was a pussy

and 3k + people died

pimp monkey

i dont care much for the man my self, but i wouldent call him the anti-christ. sadam is much more applicable for that title. i also dont necissarly agree on the turms under which we are proceeding by. personly, i would liek to see a peacefull way to end all fo this, but its clear that sadam isnt going to abide by UN demands to disarm. some thing has to be done that will disarm him, its been 12 years now since he was suposed to disarm and he still hasent made a good case that he has.

however, as for not having UN support, thats not the case. in resolution 1441 it clearly states that iraq is ans still contiunues to be in materal breach of of its obligations in revelent resolutions and that if it does not comply "it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations". This was a UNANIMOUS vote in the securrity concel this november. SO the UN does agree with using force, just not on the when and how to do it, thats where the probelm as fo late arose. We and 30+ other nations now have decided to stop waiting in dead end litigation caused by security members with econimic interests in iraq. Both france and russia are nutorious for voilating UN sanctions. Russia has serious oil interests in Iraq and stands to loose that interest, not to mention that they arent exactly saits when it comes to their war in chetchnia and its human rights violations. France has been selling weapons, inclugind biological material to Iraq after the UN sanctions a and embargo was palaced on irak in 91 after the first war. Iraq has brand new shiny french fighters as well. Thats why nothing could get passed in the security council.

Justin

That is one of the most asinine statements I have heard about this whole Iraq issue. You actually think that an American president is going to order the killing of civilians?

Now some may die as a result of war but thats Irags fault.. Not ours.



The UN has proven its irrelevance in this issue as well as many others. The UN refused to intervene in Rwanda and the Sudan just to name a few, where millions have died. It refuses to enforce resolution 1441 and wants to submit a new resolution.

Why bother if they will not enforce the first 17 resolutions?

9-11 set a new era, no longer can the US or its allies resort to a strike back only stance. Look what happened when 19 men armed only with razors did with 4 airplanes. We must go to the root of the problems before 3000 or more people die.

And if anyone starts to spout off Saddam will not give chemical or biological weapons to Al-Queda because they hate each other..BULLSHIT. Theyre both Arabs and they hate the US. Whose side do you think Iraq would take in the end?

And if someone spouts off all we want is oil.. BULLSHIT. We get all the oil we need from right here in the states, saudi arabia, mexico, canada, venezuela, kuwait, russia and many former soviet states those nations just off the top of my head. Who needs Iraqs oil? Not us.

Justin

A few facts about Saddam:

He has hung women by there feet to stay untill there "time of the month" has started and ended just to humiliate.

He has in his govt. authorized rapists "card carrying mind you" to rape women in front of there family.

He has killed 4000+ of his own people using chemical weapons.

One Iraqi has witnessed the death of 30 others by means of being thrown into a machine designed to shred plastics. Most of the time feet first.

He laughs when he gives men, women and children acid baths while listining to Frank Sinatra.

All this while the UN stands by. So I feel its about time for the US and its allies to bypass all the bullshit the UN comes up with.

And you call Bush the anti-christ?

speechlessques

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For the record, just because I don't like Bush.. doesn't mean I necessarily liked Clinton either. I did like the way he handled minority issues stateside, but his world diplomacy left alot to be desired as well. (including, but not limited to, his handling of osama bin laden, after the bombing of our embassies)

I do agree that SOMETHING should be done about Sadam Hussein, I never said he or his sons should be allowed to live in and control Iraq. And I also believe in the use of organized force. My only thing is, I do not believe President Bush will make it a quick and decisive strike. I think he will prolong the situation. Hell, if he was going to strike without UN support anyway, he should've done it last fall when this topic came to the forefront.

This is a bad situation, and I see it getting worse before it gets any better.

Justin

Well Bush couldnt strike then. He had to appease the appeasers like France, Germany and Russia. All which do serious and some illegal business with Iraq. I cant wait untill our troops and/or inspectors find all the paperwork showing what these countries have sold to Iraq right under the UN's nose with all there sanctions.

Thats why those three nations do not want war.

You want more diplomacy? Well im sorry, when France says its going to veto any resolution with out even seeing it, its not possible. After what France said and did, diplomacy is useless.

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I think pmonkey and fingerbang pretty much have it covered... Saddam is a modern day hitler and the only reason Russia and France are supporting him is because they have huge oil contracts with him that they will lose when he is thrown out of office. The only civilians that we will kill will be the ones shooting at us first.
If you have such a heart of gold for Saddam than go live in Iraq... I promise you'll be back here singing the national anthem before the month is out... I have lots of friends in the Military and they are all very proud to be fighting for the liberation of the Iraqi people! I think it would be wise to do your homework before you start running off at the mouth on something you know absolutely nothing about!

Justin

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GT40MkI

Bush is all ya'll daddy.

Texas style all up in it.

I support his decision 100%, only I feel that anyone who disagrees should be sent to live under Saddam's reign for eternity.


-Sean

treydogg526tx

just 1 question, did you vote?

Waldo

bastards wont let me vote

robul

hell yah i voted

pimp monkey

yea, but not for bush!