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Old 03-04-2003, 12:07 AM   #16
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The only wrong person is the person who thinks they know what the hell they are talking about. Everyone is wrong about their religion. Not one person in thise world is 100% correct.
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Old 03-04-2003, 12:17 AM   #17
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I'm not being a heretic because I'm saying what history has shown. It's all about truth, and the truth about religion is that they've got a common ancestor. I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong. I'm saying that as far as history is concerned, Sumerians started religion as we know it. They believed in the god we believe in, they just had what people would call a twist to their stories, which, in fact, is not true. They believed that there was God, and God made ancient man, but then God sent other beings called Anunnuki from a planet called Nibiru to mate with the ancient man, to create modern man. The Bible doesn't disagree with that. In fact, contrary, the Bible says that God sent his "divine beings" to make human women their wives in Genesis. So, basically, the Old Testament, or, as I like to refer to it in reality, the Torah, is based on the earliest known religion in the world. Just my two cents, again. A little bit of interesting knowledge, whether people believe it or not.
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Old 03-04-2003, 11:58 AM   #18
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To clarify my note from above, I was talking about the Southern Baptist denomination- not Catholicism; although I'm sure the people who think they 'are holier than thou' can be found in every church too...

Just curious, what are everyones' views on evolution if some are so opinionated about religion. I was told that it would not be wise if I kept attending my previous church AND continue to study and/or speak of evolution. The subject fascinates me to this day, and there's some sort of physical evidence to back it up at least...-shrugs-

I KNOW Big Rob will have something to say about this, heh.
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Old 03-04-2003, 01:04 PM   #19
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one word... DIONASAURS.
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Old 03-04-2003, 01:42 PM   #20
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i do actually
and here we go...


if you are religious, and you know anything about religion, then this explination will either piss you off or make a lot of sense. The bible, and most religious material was written in order to teach people about religion. people that didnt read, knew verry little about science, and were basically very simple, ignorant people. so consider this.

if there is a god, and he is as all knowing and has such a master plan, then why didnt he know about science and scientific discovery from the beginning? he had to know we would start finding acceptilble explinations for everything, so maybe in the seven days that he tookk to create everything, he created it in a manner that fit a set of rules. rules that we now call science. and if he did that, and then sat there one day and thought, great now i have to explain this to people, maybe he just gave us a story about adam and eve so we would accept that and move on, without being fed all teh details. much in the same way a mother might answer her child if he asks, where do babies come from mommy? - the stork brings em ...

god i could go on forever - but this is it for now...
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:42 PM   #21
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That doesn't make a lot of sense. God is science. People say God can't exist because of science, bullshit. Mathematics and biology are all about physics. There are laws of physics. To be laws, something has to bind them. What is binding them? We don't know. In your statement, if it is true that there is no God because it can't be explained.... there is no such thing as gravity either, since no one knows what causes gravity. If you say gravitons, that has not been proven.

As far as evolution, I believe in God, I believe in creation, I believe in Jesus, I believe in Evolution. Evolution is a word that has been perverted by society to mean something totally different than the actual definition. To be more understood, I'll call Evolution Adaptation. Everything adapts, as is proven over and over again. I don't think we came from monkeys. We have not been around long enough for adaptation to change us that drastically. Take a fruit fly for example. One person can breed millions and millions of generations of fruit flies, but in the very end, they are still just fruit flies, with differences.

Big Bang Theory - People say that if you believe in God, you can't believe in the Big Bang Theory. Bullshit. "Let there be light!" *BAM*

Personally, I don't believe that God is the single entity that people make Him out to be. I do believe that God is a concious being, but in so much broader of a form than we can intellectually accept. Everything is part of God. Life wouldn't be able to exist if the energy wasn't directed into one organism, and even with energy, concious thought can not be acquired. If it could, we would have made it already. We may be able to make artificial intelligence, but any machine made with AI will never be a concious being. And when we die... energy doesn't just dissapear, but it doesn't stay with our bodies... where does it go?
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:51 PM   #22
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i'm just not going to say anything in this thing. everyone has their own beliefs so i leave it at that. but i just thought i would say that... continue on
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:55 PM   #23
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i like dinosaurs.
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Old 03-04-2003, 08:31 PM   #24
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i think all religions are the same. they may have different opinions or something. but they r the same. talk about god and this and that. in the end everything they say or do is exactly the same to what the other religion does. no change in anything. whats the point in even haveing different names for the same thing???


You DO have an idea! This isn't an argument, if you have something on your mind, you should type it. I just like to hear different peoples' opinions on religion.
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Old 03-04-2003, 09:29 PM   #25
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well honestly u think i should say something. then ok.... all i basically have to say is i am not a very big religious person. i don't see how alot of things can even be true. i have never been helped by him like people say i will be helped by him its just a dead guy. like everyone else ho is dead. but hey i have my own opinion. who cares
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:20 PM   #26
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Who is a dead guy? God? There are many things that you hold true that you have not seen. Let me ask you, have you ever seen oxygen? No? But you know it exists, right? Why? Because someone told you that it exists? Sure, that's science, but science has yet to prove many every day occurances. The problem isn't what people believe. the problem is that people have a hard time accepting other peoples' beliefs. Everyone says they don't care, but on the same token, they argue. As far as physics is concerned, in my opinion, there has to be an after life, and there has to be a God. Eisntein believed it, many physicists believed in God, even Darwin was a Christian. That's beside the point. I just like discussing the different ideas, and see where peoples' beliefs lie.
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Old 03-04-2003, 11:00 PM   #27
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i guess you havent read my new testimates of 2000


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Old 03-05-2003, 01:05 AM   #28
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ok hold up.. gravity cant be explained?? where the fuck do you get that idea?? gravity is caused because all amtter hods an attraction to other matter through the attraction of electrons. the reason there is gravity is because the earth itself holds so much matter that it attracts everything to it. only objects of simmilar mass and inertia can resist the pull of the earth. on the other end of the scale - the sun attracts the earth and other planets to it because of its immense mass. the only thing that keeps us from falling into the sun is inertia -

anyway, what you said about god being science is EXACTLY what i was trying to say, but i simplified it, so u gt no argument there. what i wasw tryin to point out is that the people who wrote the bible had no knowledge of science as we know it
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they were trying to advertise their religion to people who were basically stupid, so they simplifies everything into anecdotes that explain things in an acceptable form so that people then would understand
basically - the bible is a 1st grade book - and humanity is now in like the 8th grade. we know better than to take everything at face vaslue now...
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Old 03-05-2003, 07:54 AM   #29
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well i told u my belief i don't see why i have to believe in some dead guy who is sopposed to "help me in my time of need" when he can't do a damn thing. i'm not a science person so i am not going to say anything on the science thing. but u believe in what u want to believe in and i will keep this as mine
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Old 03-05-2003, 08:21 AM   #30
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Originally posted by NibiruFactor on 03-04-2003 at 12:17 AM
So, basically, the Old Testament, or, as I like to refer to it in reality, the Torah, is based on the earliest known religion in the world.


The Torah speaks of the Fertile Goddess? (Cro-Magnon carried small figurines of her with them long before written language, and their cave paintings also seem to have religious significance.) It is arrogant to assume that illiterate people were incapable of having some religion. About 130 thousand years ago 'something' changed in the human psyche... and homo sapiens-sapiens appeared. There is no reason that we couldn't have perceived the hand of God then, if not sooner. I tend to agree with Rob, if one is explaining something complex to children it is nessessary to gloss over the difficult parts.... especially if one is an infinitly complex being and the children are... well, us. So as children grow older, they will understand more, and as a consequence any truths will become self evident. (That's not saying we don't all have a long way to go.)
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