drgray7

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I am trying to locate some of my patients that have moved or changed their phone numbers. Does anyone here know where I can do a detailed search by social security number to get current addresses and phone numbers? There are many companies that offer this service online for $20-40 each search, but that's ridiculous! On most of these patients, I've got SSN, name, a previous or current address, and/or a previous or current phone number.

Before anyone gets the wrong idea about why I'm looking for this info, some of it is good and some of it could be considered bad. I need to reach several of them because we were overpaid by their insurance and I need to refund their money... many of them underpaid me and therefore I am attempting to collect a debt... and many I just need to check on as a follow-up to their treatment.

I've tried Webcrawler, and the other standard white pages links, but am not getting enough info, and/or am not getting the results I'm looking for. Also, none of the pages I've tried allow the detailed search or return the detailed information that is obviously out there within the pay search sites.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Doc

davemo2us

What the F@#$#. This post stinks of a con or something.

drgray7

I'm sorry if I have given that impression. I am a chiropractor in the Kansas City area and this is a serious question. I mean no offense, and your response is why I tried to explain my reasoning in the previous post.

My purpose for posting my question here is that I have been a reader of these forums for some time, and have seen that many of the posters are computer savvy. Myself, I only know how to make the damn things screw up!

I do quite a bit of research on health-related information on the net, and on political events, so I have been exposed to the wealth of information that is available. However, when I read some of the posts on this and the other boards I frequent, I understand that I have yet to reach the tip of the proverbial iceburg.

I have tried Google for databases, people, or information searches... yet the majority of sites I am referred to on this topic are extremely expensive pay sites. Since these pay sites have rapid access to the information, I know that the info and database is out there... it's just a matter of knowing where it is and how to access it.

Again, there is no fraud or con in my motive. I am sincerely asking for help if anyone can point me in the right direction and/or explain any illegalities of what I am seeking to do.

HIJACKER

Honestly, your a professional "so you claim", here's the answer.

If you were OVERPAID by their INSURANCE, refund the money TO THE INSURANCE CARRIER.

If you were underpaid thats your loss. There are ways you can attempt a collection of debt from a previous customer based on SSN. If you don't know how to do so, then obviously your full of shit and a fake.

Lastly.. you complained that searching and/or locating a person online costs $20-40. Assuming your attempting a collection of several hundred dollars, what is 20 dollars to you to successfully receive your full payment.

However you spell it out, I smell :bs: and I truely think you are completely full of shit.

One more thing, we have your IP logged from SWBell. I strongly suggest you keep your conversations and posts on this board on reasonable subjects that aren't suspect of illegal activity. Last thing you want to do is start off with a first post asking people how to get more information on people using their SSN.

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HIJACKER

I have a better idea. Click my signature and buy yourself a Gold Membership. If you do that, I'll give you some information you need to know.

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drgray7

I have in no way shape or form attempted to defraud or con anyone. I can understand your skepticism; there are many on the net who are not who they claim to be. If you were truly interested, all you needed to do was ask.

The website for my office is www.graychiropractic.com . That's me... the bald guy. If you're still so skeptical, check the IP billing address if you can. You'll see that it matches the address of the office.

But that's the point isn't it? Being able to trace and find a particular individual with limited information. That's all I was asking. I know it's possible, I just don't know how. I am not seeking to do anything illegal, I'm just trying to collect debts. Yes, most of the people I'm trying to find are for collection purposes.

There are a few that I am attempting to return money to, however, you misrepresented my intentions. It is not the insurance company's money I am trying to return... it's the patient's. If we are "overpaid," it means that the insurance paid more than we had originally expected, therefore the patient who has already paid his portion has overpaid. By returning that money to that patient, I accomplish several things. One, the patient trusts that I will not take advantage of him. Two, the patient can respect my honesty. Three, they will then tell their friends about me and refer more patients to my office for care... good for business.

Now back to collections... if I can do some of my own research and collect a debt without turning over 50% to a collection agency, why wouldn't I? If the average amount of debt I am attempting to collect is $200-500, and once these debts reach the point at which I have to track the patient down are only about 10% collectable ($20-50), why would I pay for research that will defeat the purpose of doing the collection in the first place?

Your comment about it being "my loss" was uncalled for and a rude thing to say. I operate my office with unparalleled integrity and humility. In cases of financial hardship, we accept payment plans in order to provide a service that a patient may not otherwise be able to afford. Sometimes, those patients do not return the integrity and skip out on their obligation. If someone hacked into your site, and didn't pay for your "gold membership"... would you let it slide? Or would you try to collect? Keep in mind, this is your livelihood... this is how you feed your family... and they just stole from you rendering the value of the service you provide as worthless. Still want to look the other way?

I made a post on your site, because I expected that someone would have been able to help me out. I made a request for explanation as to the legality of what I am trying to do. One skeptic responded with a question/observation, to which I immediately responded with a more thorough explanation. If you thought I was doing anything untoward, or had questions as to my motives, a man of integrity would have just asked the question. However, you chose to accuse and respond with threats. I have perused your site for some time, and enjoyed it. Yet the first time I attempt to join your conversations, this is how you respond... what makes you think I'd want to buy one of your "gold memberships?"

HIJACKER

For some time?? Ya, I guess being a member for 3 weeks is a long time.. sorry for the misunderstanding on your seniority here. Buying the Gold Membership was a comment I said only because I know there is no chance you would ever. I'm actually surprised you've posted 3 times already.

Look, I'm not trying to pry into your personal life nor am I going to give you advice on how to run your business or collect debts. There are other ways to locate people when your a doctor in cases of issuing refunds/collecting debts rather than posting a thread on a messageboard. Personally, if I found out my chiropractor was posting on a messageboard asking strangers on the internet on how to locate people by using their SSN's, I would honestly stop seeing him as a care provider and never look back. I just think this whole situation is prime example of your lack of professionalism and knowledge in your industry as a whole.

Seriously, just think about it, all your patients listed their insurance carriers... right? Regardless if its a collection or debt, you can CALL their insurance carriers, identify yourself, your firm, and provide a SSN and probably retrieve the information needed on your clients to atleast make a phonecall or mail a letter. You have other options, however your stance seems firm and your not utilizing all your resources.

With that said, that's all I can say. I'm not attempting to come off rude to you, this is just how I feel, from one professional to another.

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drgray7

I never claimed any form of seniority. Your condescending manner and sarcasm is not helping. Contrary to your "surprise," I am usually a fairly active poster on the message boards I frequent. However, instead of jumping in and starting flame wars, I do tend to read for several weeks and get the overall gist of posting styles before I join in. As you've noted, I "joined" your site three weeks ago. Since that time, I have enjoyed the community you have created here. As a small-businessman, I understand what is involved and do choose to support those sites that offer a good service. You could have said, "I have the information you need, here is an example of what I can do, but recognizing its value... it'll cost you $50." That I would have respected.

You have made many assumptions about my actions and/or my character without knowing a thing about me... as you've said, I've only made three posts here.


And you assume that those other methods are not being utilized. I have a contract with a collection agency, a lawyer that sends letters as needed, and a staff that speaks with the insurance companies on a daily basis. Of course, there are many ways to locate people and/or collect debts... and my office utilizes all of them. Each situation must be dealt with individually pursuant to maximizing the benefit to my patients, and my bottom line. I was merely attempting to find out if there was any other ways to find those people who are attempting not to be found... because they know they owe a debt.


Then you will have decided to forego receiving the care you need based on an issue that has no bearing on his ability to provide you with a quality service... that's your choice. If that's the way any of my patients felt, I would respect their decision, explain my motives, and give them the name of other chiropractors in the area so that they could continue to receive the the treatment they need, if they still choose to leave my office. Again, you have made an assumption about my "professionalism and knowledge in my industry" without knowing anything about me, my business, or my industry.


Wrong again. We are utilizing all of those resources and more. As I said, I have a staff that speaks with the insurance companies daily. In those cases where insurance is involved, of course we start there. However, as I noted before, many patients are uninsured and would not have been able to afford their health care had I not extended options for them to pay for their care or trade services for it... in many cases discounting my fees significantly based on financial hardship. When one of those cases in which I have upheld my end of the arrangement (providing them with the health care they needed), disappears without having honored their obligations (making an attempt to pay or trade services for), I need further avenues in which to limit the costs I incur in order to collect that debt.

You assumed that I was "not utilizing all my resources." Not only am I utilizing all of those resources, I am seeking others. Am I to ignore a perfectly valid and legal resource for locating debtors simply because you've gotten the wrong impression as to my motives? If I chose to ignore this resource, then your assumption as to my not utilizing resources would be true.


I appreciate your return to civility. As one professional to another, this is why I attempted to inquire about this matter here. If you had a health question, I would expect you to ask myself and/or another health professional you may feel more comfortable with for the information you seek. As such, I respect your knowledge, and many of the other posters on this board, regarding computers and further access to information on the net. Therefore, I was making an attempt to ask the experts for assistance with a problem. If there was something illegal about my inquiry, or my intentions, I was honestly asking for your expertise and advise on this subject.

You allowed yourself to be sarcastic, jump to conclusions, and make assumptions about me without basis. I feel you have missed an opportunity to display mature professionalism in dealing with a situation that could have been beneficial to us all. If you needed more information as to the validity of my intentions, you could have asked. If you were unsure as to my "professionalism and knowledge," again, you could have asked. If, after getting more information and without making assumptions, you found that my motives were in question, then you would have been justified in making accusations and defending the integrity of your site. However, this is not the case.

Now, unfortunately, you have rendered this thread useless to its original intent. There may have been a poster on this site who could have helped me, yet will not go past your first post, because as a moderator, you have set the tone. "If the moderator has jumped on this guy, why should I bother reading the rest of the thread?" Your haste in acting on your misperceptions has not only negated the purpose of this thread, but has cast a negative first impression of me to the other members of this board. If I remain welcome in this community, and if I choose to continue to participate, I will have to overcome that aspersion you have placed upon me.

As to the matter at hand, if you, or any other poster, can not assist me, then I will take my inquiry elsewhere.

HIJACKER

SInce this is turning into a long and dragged out explanation, let me simplify things and bring this conversation back to the basics.

You said you did not want to spend $10-20 on each client to find out their new information to contact them?? Well, if you are willing to "pay" somebody $50 for information to "assist" you in locating, why not just spend $10-20.

If you attempting to collect 200, and you spend 10 to do it, your still netting 190. That's your answer and the only LEGAL way you can go about it as far as the internet goes.

Here is your answer.

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Each use costs $4. You can pick whichever way you choose to search, and one option is by SSN.

http://www.nonpublished.com/html/services.html

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