lefty

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So Pete Rose admitted he gambled on baseball. Does that make what he did somehow not wrong?

Baseball has one rule which is etched in stone: Do not bet on the game. It's simple. Gambling virtually destroyed baseball in 1919. Shoeless Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver never cheated during the Black Sox scandal, but they're still banned.

Rose thinks that by "coming clean" we should forgive and forget. No way. Charlie The Hustler put himself above the law. And for that he must suffer.

If baseball wants to change the ruling on its lifetime ban so that the player cannot be inducted during his lifetime (the ban is lifted the day the player dies) that's acceptable. But Pete Rose should not be allowed to profit from Hall of Fame induction.

The man is a disgrace!

Waldo

he broke the rules he should be gone for ever

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kaosbob

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Not only did he break the rules, but then lied about it for 14 years. For him to expect that now, since he's "come clean", that everyone should forgive and forget is insulting to the fans and the sport. And in his eyes, he still doesn't believe what he did was wrong. If they want to put him in the hall of fame after he's dead, no biggie. He was a great player. But definitly don't give him any chances on cashing in on baseball anymore.

lefty

Did anybody see Pete Rose on ABC? What a total jerk! He's not sorry for what he did, he's sorry he got caught! It defies reason how so many people can be fooled by this guy. Why can't baseball just say you broke the rule, you're banned for life, go away, end of story?

420-13

Rules are rules....c-ya

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Pete should have come clean years ago, handled damage control and rode out the storm...

a half hearted apology now is "Too little, too late"

Sometimes you get the bull, sometimes you get the Horns. Pete knew the risks, and took the chance. So be it.

420-13

Pete would be inducted into the Hall because of what he did as a player. But he is banned for life because of what he did as a coach. I understand he was still in baseball but its not like he threw the world series. But hey...rules are still rules.

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Axenos1

One stupid rule is keeping the GREATEST HITTER OF ALL TIME out of the Hall of Fame. Complete idiocy. Great, he bet on baseball, la-dee-frickin-da. So did a shitload of other people. But Rose got caught, so instead of villifying him, why doesn't anyone feel bad for him? Sosa used a corked bat and thats been forgotten, 90% of the players use steroids, but no one will even try to create a system of mandatory testing. I think maybe there are much more serious issues, than preventing the GREATEST HITTER OF ALL TIME form being inducted in the Hall of Fame. Maybe if professional baseball realized this it wouldn't be on the verge of extinction.

lefty

For the record, Pete Rose is not the greatest hitter of all time. He has more hits than any other player. You can argue that Cobb is the greatest hitter of all time. You can without question argue that Ruth is the greatest of all time (.342 and 714 homers are hard to beat). And there's certainly room for Ted Williams (.344 with 521 homers, while serving in WWII and Korea). Pete Rose would have a tough time making it in the Top 10 hitters of all time. Remember, you've still got guys like Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx and Stan Musial. Rose couldn't have carried their jocks.

Pete Rose hung on for the sake of Pete Rose. As a rookie in '63 Rose boasted that he would become the world's first $100,000 a year singles hitter. With Pete it has always been about self-glorification. If he hadn't been a ball player, Pete probably would have been a mobbed up wise guy. And with his style, he'd probably have ended up a two-bit wise guy with a bullet in the back of his head.

If you've ever walked into a big leage club house (and, yes, I have, many times) there's a sign posted in every one that states you'll be banned from baseball if you gamble. Gambling compromises the integrity of the game. It almost killed the game in 1919. And innocent men who didn't gamble are still banned because they didn't go public with what was happening. I still blame Charlie Comiskey for everything that happened with the "Black Sox", right down to refusing to meet with Weaver and Jackson when they both wanted to inform the Old Roman that the fix was in. But that's another post for another time.

Rose broke baseball's single most important rule. He put himself above the game. Why? Because in Charlie Hustler's own words, "He didn't think he'd get caught." There's no remorse. He's doing what he thinks he has to do, so he can get what he wants.

Pete Rose removed himself from the Hall. No one else.

As for baseball's other problems, they're many. I question Sosa's bats. I sure as Hell think Sammy's roided up--he's not that kid that was all arms, legs and hair that came up with the Sox. And yes, I think guys on roids should be banned as well. Or at least suspended without pay for a few years. Look at Ben Johnson in track and field.

Keeping Rose out of the Hall proves baseball still has integrity. That it won't give in to those who don't understand what gambling can do to the sport.

Again, I have no problem with Rose being considered for Cooperstown after he's dead. Then he can have a separate area that demonstrates his accomplishments and how he disgraced the game.

I don't enjoy any of this. Pete Rose was one of my heroes. As a kid, he grabbed a bunch of us at a barnstorming game, snuck us past a security guard by the outfield fence and signed baseballs for us. He told us to "work hard, play hard and stay out of trouble and someday we might make it to the majors". The same guy turned his back on me and every other kid that looked up to him. Pete sold us out. Then lied to us.

Why should we believe anything he says now isn't a lie?

Baseball has many problems. And perhaps, if Pete Rose would accept his punishment and go away, baseball could deal with its problems, rather than having to deal with a guy who thought he was bigger than the game itself.

lothar36

Yes Pete bet on baseball. Why is that such a big deal you say? Everyone does it! Did you know there is a sign in EVERY Major League clubhouse that states it is illegal in MLB rules to gamble and tells of the penalties for breaking said rules. I will say it again. IT IS ON A SIGN POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE. Pete choes ON HIS OWN to ignore the stated rules of the organization he was involved in (MLB) and now MUST pay the consequences. Tough shit Pete. My solution, put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame. ONE YEAR AFTER HE DIES. He should NOT be allowed to revel in the glory that is a hall of fame induction.

lothar36

Yes Sammy broke the rules using a corked bat. And he took the punishement. Suspension for a few games. Pete broke the rules. Now he must take the punishment. Suspension for life.

lefty

For the record, this is documented, Rose bet on baseball 412 times between 1985 and 1987. And 52 of those bets were on the Reds. This wasn't a one time thing.

We only know what happened over a two year period. Did he bet as a player?

It's not like the guy broke the rule once. He broke it almost 500 times in just two years. What more does anyone need to know?

Now, Pete's signing books for the highest of high rollers at a CT casino. How could anyone even consider letting this guy get close to the game again?

Axenos1

*sigh* If baseball would just let him in, this would end and they could focus on the real problems. Pete Rose is hurting baseball far less then drugs, and the lack of a salray cap.

lefty

(bigger sigh). Why let Pete in the Hall in order to solve problems? Pete's a problem. So stick to the rule. Keep him out. End the saga. There, that's one problem solved. Now on to salary caps and competitive balance. And on the part of baseball's owners, how about some perspective. The owners of the St. Louis Cardinals recently informed us that if we want to keep our season tickets, we'll need to pay them $18,000 for seating licenses. And for that honor, they won't raise our ticket prices for 10 years. Here, Mr. Baseball Fan, give me $18,000 so you can have the right to pay me $15,000 a year for tickets. Thank goodness we weren't two sections over. Then the PSL would be $30,000 for 4 seats. The problem with baseball? Greed.