gmonster

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Here is one that has bugged me for a while now, I was discussing this with one of my co-workers, let me know what your thoughts on this one are.....
Now granted I don't know how all the laws differ from state to state, but when a person trys to commit suicide in ohio there is no fine or anything, they put you up in the physc ward for a whole three days until they talk there way out, isn't attempted suicide actually attempted murder don't you think there should be more of a penalty then just to stay at the hostpital for three days then go home?

ZeroSKtr56

no I dont think so, if you were really that messed up that you tried to kill yourself, then you need something different than a fine or jail time. Attempted murder on yourself? I guess that is logical, but going to jail or prison porbably isn't going to fix the problem.

gmonster

I don't think Jail time would fix there problem, but 3 days, there is no way anyone can get there problems fixed up in a 3 day period if they were that messed up to try and kill themself. There should be some sort of better way to handle people then to say "Oh you poor thing you have to stay here for three days" They should be put in a mental institution untill the Dr's deem them safe to return to the public and be on there own.

Juan.©amaney

Most people who were depressed enough to try and commit suicide and then failed at it, end up becoming more depressed because they are even failures at that.

If you were in desperation, like getting out of your problems by killing yourslef, then 3 days is sufficient for someone to offer alternatives.

Still, I agree, 3 days isn't really much for general cases.

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ITGuyfromHeLL

I just read a study on this the other day. Actually, a very high percentage of people that attempt suicide, and fail, never again try to kill themselves. I will have to search for the article so verify the percentage, but it was in the 80s i think...

But, if you want to try them for attempted murder, most likely they would get off on a temporary insanity plea...I mean come on, who would believe if you tried to kill yourself, you were in your right mind when you did it? Most juries would take 5 seconds to deliberate that one I think...

~ITGuyfromHELL~

AmorMiHombre

Or have a hard time putting someone on trial against themselves for trying to kill themselves...

You can't force someone to get help and hopefully 3 days is enough to get them to re-evaluate what they want to do in life and get a bit of help....although after i searched, there seem to be ways to keep someone in longer than they'd like. =/ Now that seems to be a bit of a crime to me.

Chrystine

I think they should definitely put them into a psyc ward for a minimum of three days to evaluate each individual case. But depending on the severity of the situation, mandatory treatment or hospitalization should be enforced.
Often an attempted suicide is a cry for help. If the person is just trying to draw attention to themselves, a few days in a psyc ward will either snap them ot of it or allow them to receive the help they need.
I think that if someone attempts to jump off a bridge and ties up traffic and police for hours on end, at the least they deserve to suffer in a mental hospital for a few days. If these people are going to use the resources of police and emergency personel, they need to be evaluated. Clearly something is going on with someone who attempts suicide, and they need to receive help of some kind.

Jimi

Most people who try and fail are doing it for attention.

However, I do agree with Chrystine. I also believe that consistant patient evaluations should be considered.

clamsrus

I never met a psych patient who wasn't totally self absorbed......and I feel there needs to be some delineation between those who attempt suicide as a way of life (repeat attention seekers with psych problems) and those who say got jilted, couldn't meet the mortgage etc etc who really only need help upskilling to cope. In the first case the victim gets exactly what they were after, in the second, three days is a joke....hopelessly inadequate either for assessment or resolution, and the use of resources would not be a waste.

YaMon

Touchy subject. However a couple weeks back some stupid motherfucker attempted suicide on the metro tracks here in Los Angeles, chickened out at the last minute and watched as his suv was struck by the metro, derailed slammed into another train and killed (I think) over 10 people.
This isn't rare either. I have some cop friends, and they have told me of auto accidents where there are no brake marks before impact indicating suicide. More times than not, this involved slamming into cars containing innocent bystanders.
When I lived in San Francisco, there seemed to be some dipshit that would hurl himself onto the MUNI or BART tracks in front of oncoming trains. The psychological impact on MUNI and BART drivers has lead to long term psychological problems.

It's one thing to accidentally snap out of it in the middle of suicide in your bathroom, bedroom or garage BY YOURSELF. It's another to impact or affect innocent people. So with that being said and considering the incidents listed above FUCK EM. LOCH THEIR SORRY ASSES UP!

Juan.©amaney

Is this a fact or a generalization? Just wondering.

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Jimi

Well, how many people run around saying that they've attempted suicide? If someone wants to kill themselves, then they do it. If it is a cry for help, they don't.

Juan.©amaney

Mine wasn't a cry for help. Just not enough of the right pills; one bottle could have meant 50 or 100...either way, it was a high enough dose to kill others, just not me.

You know I dislike generalizations, which is why I asked. Having been there, I know your statement wasn't true; although I alone don't account for "most people."

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AmorMiHombre

I have heard it said and read that attempting suicide and failing is either a plea for help or attention...(for instance, a kid who's parents don't pay enough attention or someone who can't go to people for help or is sinking and no one realizes).

Then again, unless i research it, it is just an opinion/generalization and there are always exceptions.

If you don't mind my inquiring (or you can answer me privately) what type of pills did you take?