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Old 01-31-2005, 09:24 PM   #1
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waco...

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ok... this is the post... let's start for the protagonists:

1. President of the USA Bill Clinton.
2.Secretary of State Janet Reno
3. ATF
4. FBI
5. Army? or special forces?
6. David Koresh
7. Innocent "bystanders"

Who started? ATF while serving a search for automatic weapons on a licensed arms dealer... so far no religious association

Who finished? those guys in the tanks pouring highly flammable gas and those specail forces shooting people trying to get out

Last reason know... they just burned themselves...they were abusing the kids (i guess a dead kid can not be abused?).. destroy all evidence... nothing happened...

Responsible of giving authorization for gas and burning... Bill Clinton and Janet Reno...


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Old 01-31-2005, 09:39 PM   #2
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Re: waco...

I don't blame Clinton or Reno for this. I think both are dispicable, but for different reasons. Anyway...

First, the Davidians never had automatic firearms, disregarding that it is their right to own them unrestricted, but they never had any. The BATF does things like this to keep from being exterminated, to try to justify its existance. They bully innocents around, abuse the finances of our country to press false charges on people, or kill them. The BATF is considered by law enforcement to be "sub-par" and this is why they still exist today. A few years ago, there was a bill to integrate them with other law enforcement agencies, but those agencies would not accept the BATF thugs *cough* I mean agents for the reason just stated.

I really shouldn't post anymore about this, it angers me and big brother is watching.
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Old 01-31-2005, 10:11 PM   #3
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Re: waco...

Janet Reno gave the OK to storm the Davidian compound only after being advised to by the FBI director Williams Session, a Reagan appointee. Democrats, Republicans--there is plenty of blame to go around. But the ATF should not have been using their unhanded tricks to entrap the Davidians and the Davidian shouldn't have tried to go toe-to-toe with federal agents. They would have eventually won in court and public opinion. Now depending whether someone leans left or right, the Waco Davidians are looked at as a bunch of nut cases.
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Old 02-01-2005, 01:29 AM   #4
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Re: waco...

i do not argue they were a bunch of nutcases or not... david was... the problem is the way the government handle this situation... black helicopters? sleep deprivation? lethal gas? death? by americans to americans...

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/

and regarding janet reno... has anyone remember that pic from the little boy from cuba?... that cost the democrats florida... they do not forget that...


"I consider it my job to ensure that civil liberties are not violated", Attorney General Reno said in an interview, "and so far nobody's pointed out to me where we have failed." - Attorney General Janet Waco
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Old 02-01-2005, 03:44 AM   #5
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May I just say I think the lovely lady Juana is a breath of fresh air. If the authorities had more women in charge they might be able to moderate the actions of the testosterone fuelled, gun ho, hollywood styled heroes in the forces all around the world. No i am not a woman and I have been in the forces
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Old 02-07-2005, 12:28 PM   #6
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Re: waco...

Does anyone ever stop to think maybe it is the people who own illegal weapons that are to blame. A lunatic holes himself and others up and won't allow authorities to check on the children or the young women and all of a sudden it is the governments fault. Obviously, the situation could have been handled better by the government, but the overall blame lies with Koresh.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:30 AM   #7
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Independant Investigations found that the fire was deliberatly started by the Davidians, who had threatened mass-suicide by fire weeks before during negotiations. The only people who shot Davidians as they escaped were the more fanatical Davidians. The sleep deprivation and gas were meant to be non-leathal ways of forcing surrender. The gas, thanks to heavy winds, was far too dispursed to have been flamable, and didn't even cause much discomfort to the Davidians. Davidian survivors often had lighter fluid and petrol on their hands or clothes. This was found by the INDEPENDANT investigation, yet many Righters still see this as some Clinton-Reno evil mass murder conspiracy. Clinton and Reno did a very good job in this scenario really. They can't be blaimed for a maniac's enforced suicide.

Imagine if Bush had been in power for Waco. ATF has a warrent to inspect, is opened fire upon, seige begins. Negotiations begin. On day 8, Bush orders the FBI to storm the compound since they're not complying fast enough. A situation similar to Russia's recent school hostage scenario happens, and countless innocents are killed in a brutal firefight. That's all just a guess, but what does everyone THINK Bush would've done in power differently from Clinton/Reno or from my example there?

The Waco seige tactics were non-leathal and aimed at forcing a casualty-less surrender of armed TERRORISTS holding HOSTAGES! The terrorists enforced a mass-suicide/homocide that sadly couldn't be prevented. You forget how many people were evacuated from the building before and after shit hit the fan by those "murderous" government agents.

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