michaeljohn

As I said in my first post, people are trying to redefine the word virgin. Your thread title asks what is the virginity line.

A virgin has throughout history required coitus to end it. Coitus with a penis and a vagina, together.

Your interpretation of the definition sexual intercourse makes sense, but whoever wrote it assumed hetero sex.

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koЯnut

You have all valid points mifinley. But times change and with that sometimes definitions have to also change. Obviously the definition of the word virgin was created with only male/female intercourse in mind. But thats not reality anymore.

michaeljohn

Well, this definition can stay put. There are thousands of ways one can achieve sexual pleasure/pain.
If you change the definition of virgin to include all of the above as grounds to lose it, how do you classify the
person who has never engaged in heterosexual coitus? You have taken virgin away from the virgins!

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koЯnut

I guess the same way you classified homosexuals in this post:



So now a days there are two types of virgins. Hetero and Homo.

michaeljohn

There can be no such thing as a homo virgin, again, hetero coitus is required to lose virginity.

However, if male were to say his ass or mouth was or was not virgin, we would know what he implied.

Seems like last time this topic ran people kept trying to redefine the word virgin. Don't know why you keep trying.

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koЯnut

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I really don't know how I'm trying to redifine the word here. I've put the definition of the word up multiple times proving my point.
"a person who has not had sexual intercourse".
Anal intercourse is sexual intercourse.

michaeljohn

Yes, and I reponded to this, whoever wrote that definition assumed hetero intercourse. Sexual intercourse can come from a penis, a dildo, a baseball bat, a foot, a tounge, a drumstick, you name it. But coitus is penis and vagina.

Ok, what about the male virgin who will become gay, but hasn't done anything sexual yet? So, he gets his ass rammed. His classification could now be considered gay. And let's add the girl virgin who will become lesbian but hasn't yet. Then she straps it on with another dyke. She is now a lesbian. Now, these two virgins, the gay male and the lesbian hook up for sex. He is now no longer a virgin, or gay. He is bisexual. She is no longer a lesbian, she is bisexual. And neither one is a virgin, they lost their virginity together.

Look at the terms:

Virgin: Never had hetero coitus
Gay: homosexual intercourse
Lesbian: Female sex
Bisexual: engages in sex with same and opposite sex.
Sexual intercourse: infinite definitions

Virgin is another word with its own special meaning, and that has been explained.

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koЯnut

Put up one link that says the definition of virgin is "never had hetero coitus".
I just can't find one.

Like I said before Fin. I understand your points and there valid. But thats not looking at it in today's way of life. Things change. Sex is a whole different act today. With change comes change in they way things are viewed.

Jimi

A woman is no longer a virgin when she's had any kind of sexual encounter with someone else. That's that!

michaeljohn

I am not going to look for a definition, most everyone here knows hetero coitus is what is required to lose virginity.

Now as for saying things change, homosexuality has been around since ancient times. so has straight sex, or we wouldn't be here. Times haven't changed and neither need the definitions. I doubt they ever will.

Virgin has and always will mean hetero coitus. I am now stuck repeating points you are ignoring. If you say someone loses their virginity from anal sex, or whatever other method, what on earth do you call the people who have never had hetero coitus? You took their word away from them; VIRGIN.

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Jimi

Any time a woman has any kind of sexual intercourse, be it oral, finger, anal, anything, she has lost her virginity. Just because she may or may not still have her hymen, doesn't mean that she is a virgin.

koЯnut

Times have changed as far as sexuality is looked apon more open mindedly. Where as a long time ago it was shunned. With that, definitions have to change.
You still haven't supported your definition of the word virgin. I have.

Chameleon Grrl

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexual experience.

Jimi

I've read the bible quite a few times, and not once have I ever seen it mention the exact meaning of virgin as being only hetero coitus.