jdwalke

I'm just curious - how many of you believe in the anti-christ? I for one, am not sure. I do not mean to stir up a lot of heat, but it doesn't exactly fit into my current religious views.

Jimi

That should be another thread. :happycow:

LS1-S10

I think Kerry was the anti-christ and by not electing him president, we have postponed armegedon! That comment was about as silly as this thread's topic.

Just ask yourself one question.....how many Iraqi's do you think would be loosing sleep and complaining if the shoe was on the other foot? Think it over in your mind, picture it. Since you believe that we just up and went to war with them over nothing, picture them going to war with us over nothing. Say that they launched a campaign on our soil with bombs and chemical weapons. Say that it was our 100,000 civilian casualties to there 1250, how many of them do you think would be calling THERE LEADER the anti-christ and that it was wrong to do that to us. How many do you think would loose sleep over killing Americans? Have you not seen the anti-U.S. propaganda and flag burning that was going on in Iraq prior to the war on terrorism. Do you think that the military/militia over there would be Humane? Im sure you can totally reason with people that take living prisoners and be-head them on camera with a knife. I just seriously SERIOUSLY think that it is fkd up beyond belief how people want to finger us as the fkn bad guys, and say our leader is the anti-christ just because we went at this without support from the Allies. I would be willing to bet a million bucks that if the allies had been behind us on this, that no one would be uttering a word about it. But imma gonna shuddup now because Politic's make me SICK, more sick than people that don't support there leader. But that's what makes America great, you don't have to support your leader....much like Iraq is now that there liberated from Saddam, before us they didn't have that choice.

Now that my rant's over.....no Bush isn't the anti-christ. And i realize my above statements don't pertain to anything about this threads topic....i guess im just sick of hearing politics and people downing our own President.

Jimi

No, I think that this election, if anything, is helping bring about Armegeddon, since Armegeddon is IN Iraq! However, I honestly don't believe that it had much affect whatsoever. Just because our leader is a liar doesn't mean he's the antichrist.

:happycow:

LS1-S10

I'll agree with your last statement on that......i've never seen or known of a Politician that wasn't a liar.

EvilMonkey

I have often admired the mystical way of Pythagorus, and the secret magic of numbers” Sir Thomas Brown The Bible is actually pretty straightforward in helping us identify the Antichrist. "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." That is, the number 666. St. John the apostle, the traditional author of Revelation, was a Jew from Palestine who apparently knew how to write in Greek script (though he may have had someone else transcribe or translate his vision). But John obviously did his thinking in Hebrew, and he knew the Scriptures intimately. He must have also known that every Hebrew letter has a natural numerical equivalent, and that's undoubtedly how the number 666 came about. Hebrew letters can be used to represent either letters or numbers. Gematria is the process adding up or counting the numerical equivalent of each letter of a word or name. 5 Here’s a table showing the Hebrew alphabet, their numeric value, and their English letter equivalent. 5 “Gematria”, Online at: http://www.themystica.com/mystica/a...g/gematria.html
Table A. There are no middle names in Hebrew, and most people don’t know Bush’s middle name anyway. Keep in mind that the set of instructions was intended to make it easy for anyone to identify the Antichrist. In Biblical times, people were identified simply as ‘Jesus, son of Joseph’ or ‘John, son of Jebedee’. However today, people are usually identified by their first and last name. (note: the letter 'S' has a different value depending upon whether it's used to form a hard or soft sound as in 'bus' or 'bush'): 18
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If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out: • G = 3 (gimel) • e = 5 (heh) • o = 70 (ayin) • r = 200 (resh) • g = 3 (gimel) • e = 5 (heh) • B = 2 (beth) • u = 70 (ayin) • s = 300 (shin) • h = 8 (cheth) • total = 666 (Antichrist) I would challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Someone once wrote me, “If it was meant to be that simple God would have just spelled it out...” What he meant was that the Book of Revelation would have simply given us his name – George Bush. I pointed out that it was meant to be that simple because now the world has no excuse. We can’t argue that we couldn’t have known, or that it was too difficult to figure out. But it was also spoken in a 666 parable so that (Matt 4:12) " in seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest at any time they be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Using Hebrew letters to add up Bush’s name certainly seems the most simple and logical way to solve the 666 puzzle, given what we know about the background of the author of Revelation. Unfortunately many people don’t know Hebrew and know little or nothing about the author’s background. We must remember that the number 666 was given so that anyone alive today could identify the Antichrist, to make it easier for us, and not so that Christians who have been dead for two thousand years could identify him before he was born. The prophecy was given to us. It was given to make the identification as easy and sure as possible for everyone – so that nobody would have any excuse - and not to compel us to translate his name into some little used language that we don’t even read or speak

EvilMonkey

So is there a way to make the solution to the puzzle even simpler and more accessible to the general public today? Yes. For one thing, the universal language today is not Greek or Hebrew, it is English. That also happens to be the language spoken by George W Bush, the Antichrist in question. So the language we should try to use is the language we actually do use today. The prophecy in Revelation was given to warn whatever generation in which the Antichrist would appear. So if it doesn’t work in English, if we can’t discover the identity of the Antichrist using our own language, we can be reasonably confident that that he hasn’t been born yet, and this isn’t the generation in which he is destined to appear. But unlike Hebrew, the letters of the English alphabet don't automatically have a numeric value. The way numerologists today convert the names of men into numbers is through a simple numerical code. 6 The most common code still used by numerologists today is the Pythagorean System,Numerologists require that we add up the entire given name of the person and then reduce the total to a single digit. Now if you add up the numbers of his name using this system, according to the table above you get 7+5+6+9+7+5 for George, +5+1+3+2+5+9 for Walker, and +2+3+1+8 for Bush, which all adds up to a total of 78 = 7+8 = 15 = 1+5 = 6. The number of Bush’s name using the most commonly used numerological system in use today is six. The next most commonly used method in numerology is the Chaldean System,If you add up the numbers of his name using the Chaldean System you get 3+5+7+2+3+5 for George, +6+1+3+2+5+2 for Walker, and +2+6+3+5 for Bush, which adds up to a total of 60 = 6+0 = 6. Once again the number is still 6. But hold on to your hats, because we’re not through yet. ASCII code is the language of the information age. ASCII stands for American Standard Code for Information Interchange. 7 Computers can only understand numbers, so ASCII is the numerical representation of a character such as ‘B’ or an action of some sort. You could call it numerology for the information age. If you add up his name in ASCII code, you get 71+101+111+114+103+101 for George, 87+97+108+107+101+114 for Walker, and 66+117+115+104 for Bush, which adds up to a total of 1617 = 1+6+1+7 = 15 = 1+5 = 6

EvilMonkey

i'll summarise a bit better than this when i have thourougly read the book. just wanted nice debate. im still on the fence whether i think he is the anti christ or not. Just wish i could upload the file so that we could all read it and have a properr discussion.

Jimi

If you add 666 + 666 + 666, you get 1998. If you add the letters of my name in Martian, you probably get 666....

:happycow:

EvilMonkey

i suppose it all stems down to if you believe in the bible. if you do then you will accept revalations as the truth and that 666 will be the mark of the beast. im not saying this is true, but i challenge you to find a name of someone you know, famous or otherwise that adds up to 666 in so many different ways. unfortunately i cant post the .pdf file that has the relevant tables in it etc to work this out but im sure a quick search on teh interweb will help.

try not to voice random dismissals try and prove your point.

Jimi

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I'm just saying that as far as numbers, anything can be turned into 666 at any time to server peoples' purposes. Prtty much anything can be mathematically broken down into any number. And, don't use the Bible on me.... because nowhere in the Bible does it say that Dubya = 666. I am a Christian, and I am anti-Bush, but I don't put a whole lot of faith into him being the anti-Christ.

And, it's hard to just tell me to prove my point when neither you nor I can be proven at this time.

EvilMonkey

true true, jimi do you want me to email a copy of this over to you? im in the process of reading it at the mo.

on their own the points do seem to be rather weak but together they are beginning to mount up to make me feel uncomfortable about bush having so much power. if i was to put all the excerpts in i would be practically copying the book it would be easier to just read the book to be honest

Jimi

Naw, that's fine. Being well versed in the Bible, I can already fathom any argument given to support such accusations.

EvilMonkey

furry muff, to be honest this book is borin me but im gonna stick with it. i'll let you know my verdict in a few days as to whether i believe he is the anti christ.

just a thought tho, the devils greatest triumph was convincing the world he didnt exist