Jimi

Haha, read my posts for your answers. Funny, though, that you tell me the common response is such, when you're the one saying you're finished with the conversation, yadda yadda yadda, because you obviously are way out of your environment on this one. Isn't it past your bedtime?

cranker

Honestly I will argue with me all night. I just wasnt going to waste my time. I will write as much as you want. If I am a bullshitter like you say then that will give you more to discredit me with. I see no post where you answered those 2 q's. Mind to oblige me?

Jimi

Those Venusian shrooms must be effecting your reading skillZ!!!!1!11

Jimi

I answered the one. To the second, I've never ever heard the visions labeled CEV, but I know what you're talking about. Anyone can read about this. Outside of that fact, though, I also have, as many times as I have done shrooms, NEVER seen anything melt, or morph, or any other kind of changing so extreme.

cranker

The fact that you have never seen a CEV tells me that you are extremely inexperienced about what can be seen while tripping. Most people who trip never experience this because they are always tripping and socializing while they trip with others. If you would take some time to yourself during the peak, go lay in an empty room, and clear your mind, then you will see some of the most amazing things that are posssible for the human mind to experience. Sure anyone can read about it. But it will be hard for anyone to explain it unless they have experienced it. Let me try.....

Lets say the first image that pops into your mind is a duck. You will visually see the duck with your eyes closed. It may be a realistic duck or it may be more of a cartoonish duck. You mind may then instantaneously think about where the duck is. You will instantly see the duck swimming across the water. Its feet paddling making ripples through the water. Your attention may then be focused on the ripples. As you focus on the ripples the duck may go out fo your field of vision. As this happens, the ripples could turn into a large ocean wave. At the instant this ocean wave crashes it could start to swirl down into nothingness like a toilet flushing. Then you open your eyes. This total experience could have lasted only 10 seconds.

The more you get comfortable with these CEV's the better you will be able to a.) make them appear at will, and b.) control the images to a better degree. This is not as far as the rabbit hole goes either. With practise you will be able to hold an image in your mind, and open your mind holding the image, and the image will continue to stay iin your field of vision with your eyes open. You may even get to the point where you will be able to manipulate the images with your eyes open....as if they were closed. This practise is not necessary on high doses as it will happen automatically.

Some other things I have seen on low doses are the carpet growing up the wall, the carpet for an entire room growing like grass to about a foot high, walls opening like doors, ect. Things get exponentially crazier with the higher dosage you take.

People can belive Jimi all they want...but you will never see the things that are possible while tripping. Go ahead, close off your mind. Dont believe its possible. But if you do you will be one of the majority of trippers who dont do it for the experience or the insight that these drugs can give you, but just for a fun time with your friends.

I cant think of anything else to write this minute, so please Jimi, tell me Im a fool, but please give me another point to write about.

Jimi

Alrighty there... he who fails to read my posts. Again.... I know what you're talking about with your eyes closed.... but shrooms are not as extreme as to be abel to manipulate reality when you're awake. AAAAAGAIN, I HAVE done shrooms by myself. In fact, when I shroom with other people, I typically end up by myself anyway. I prefer to be by myself when I'm shrooming.

You're trying way too hard to look like you know what you're talking about. Keep on reading, maybe someday, when you actually try the shrooms, you'll be able to talk about this more.

cranker

OK then. Since everything I have said is simply reprinted from my readings abotu the subject I will submit that I have never done shrooms before in my life. I hope I can sometime because it sounds like a damn fine experience.

Since this is not a drug website I do not expect anyone to backup my claims. Peace be with you all.

Jimi

cranker

LOL. That was a sarcastic statement. Here is something for you to read. It is the 5 different defineable levels of the psychadellic experience.

Level 1:
This level produces a mild 'stoning' effect, with some visual enhancement (ie. brighter colours etc) Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound 'wider'
Level 2:
Bright colours, and visuals (ie. things start to move and breath) some 2 dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to continual distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed. (*)
Level 3:
Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or 'mother of pearl' surfaces. Closed eye hallucinations become 3 dimensional. There is some confusing of the senses (ie. seeing sounds as colours etc.) Time distortions and `moments of eternity`. Movement at times becomes extremely difficult (too much effort required)
Level 4:
Strong hallucinations, ie objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously) Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and esp type phenomena. Blending of the senses.
Level 5:
Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satori enlightenment (and other such labels) (**).

Jimi

Shrooms aren't the only psychodelic drugs. 5. is more common with PCP.

With shrooms, the most I've seen on that list is up to 3. That was on good trips.

Goodnight.

cranker

Just because all you have experienced is a 3, doesnt mean a 5 is impossible with shrooms. Take a larger dose and you will find out. All of these levels are possible with any psychadellic drug. Some require less of a dosage than others. Goodnight.

Jimi

I can honestly say I wouldn't want a 5. Especially with Psilocybin cubensis, it already makes you nauseated enough as it is often enough to not want to do too much.

cranker

Many people dont...and many people shouldnt try to get one. Its not done for fun. Its done for insight about the universe and yourself. You have to be ready for it. A total loss of ego is a crazy concept to grasp if you have never experienced it. Not only will you not know who you are, or where you are, but you will not know what you are, or if you are a human, or where the thoughts you are experiencing are coming frrom. You may feel like an energy ball floating through nothingness, or you may feel like the planet jupiter floating in our solar system.

Nausea is commonly experienced in some people who trip...but Ive never had a problem with it. Some people will throw up every time they eat boomers however. Its not a matter of a weak stomach...but just how your body reacts to the shrooms.

Jimi

Typically, it depends on the species of mushroom. And, I've still yet to hear, or certainly see anyone who's been that bad off from eating shrooms. I saw a guy eat 25 grams. I forget the species... but he wasn't even like that.