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Old 11-10-2004, 04:26 AM   #31
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Re: national identity card...

Fucking rollback erased all of my posts, so here's the cliffnotes version:

1: This is nothing more than a built-in Social Security Number and Medic Alert tag with the added function of a GPS locater. Being afraid of it is silly.

2: For people paranoid about a tracking beacon: If your child was kidnapped or lost in the forest, wouldn't you be grateful for the technology to find them before something terrible happened?

3: Every Bushie against this implant on the basis of government-removing-rights or privacy-invasion is a damn hypocrite and deserves to be smacked. Bushies support the Patriot Act's plain-english repealing of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments to the Bill of Rights, and gave the government the power and obligation to record everything we do online or say on the phone, and send this data to a few spying nerds to decode and judge or POTENTIAL to commit a terror crime. We all know this will be broadened to all forms of crime, and then we'll balloon out until, to crack on the 1984 lovers here, we resemble the movie Minorty Report. I then remember making the challenge, "Do rights, privacies, and freedoms only matter when they're your own? Is it 'ok' to rob them from those scary brown people who pray to the East as long as, in theory, this doesn't apply to you?"

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Old 11-10-2004, 05:03 PM   #32
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Re: national identity card...

The Cliff's Notes version of my posts will not be forthcoming, I'm afraid.
It's never quite like the first time, y'know?

Insani should be excited about this "Get Out Of A Bitchslap Free" card, though: that's a sweet deal, and one which doesn't come around very often at all.
So Monday's rollback was good for some of us, eh?
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Old 11-10-2004, 05:21 PM   #33
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Re: national identity card...

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3: Every Bushie against this implant on the basis of government-removing-rights or privacy-invasion is a damn hypocrite and deserves to be smacked.


Please. Evesdropping on some e-mails and implanting a GPS locator in your hand ain't in the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Foot massages don't mean shit.

I'm off to walk the Earth, my brothers.

(Sorry to all of you who didn't get that post)
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:36 PM   #34
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Re: national identity card...

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Fucking rollback erased all of my posts, so here's the cliffnotes version:
1: This is nothing more than a built-in Social Security Number and Medic Alert tag with the added function of a GPS locater. Being afraid of it is silly.

This seems a bit naive...If you are among the people who are critical or distrustful of Bush then imagine the possibilities...I mean he passed this law where he can read our emails, and phone tap our calls, et cetera....Imagine what can be done with a tracking device in each person....especially if this device has credit card info....medical info....financial info....GPS....et cetera.

Even if it IS only for Social Security numbers, i've had that memorized since i had to fill out all those damn SAT forms in grade 8...problem solved.

If it's for Medic Alert, i don't have to wear one and in the, hopefully never, event that i'm so out of it i can only be ID'ed or helped by a chip i'll take my chances.

If it's for a GPS locator, my mom doesn't even know where i am half the time, i don't want the government knowing. Jeez, i had to be printed for my job at a bank recently and that even has me uneasy....i enjoyed not being 'in the system' and kinda feel a small loss now that i am.

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2: For people paranoid about a tracking beacon: If your child was kidnapped or lost in the forest, wouldn't you be grateful for the technology to find them before something terrible happened?

I don't have any children and don't know what i would do...Although i'm suuuuure there are chips you can buy out there to put on your children to track them down...I remember a while back they were marketing these credit cards for kids that could track them down when they used them.

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3: Every Bushie against this implant on the basis of government-removing-rights or privacy-invasion is a damn hypocrite and deserves to be smacked.

I'm not a Bushie soooo moving along...
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"Do rights, privacies, and freedoms only matter when they're your own? Is it 'ok' to rob them from those scary brown people who pray to the East as long as, in theory, this doesn't apply to you?"

I understand where you're coming from and this type of behavior is done every day in varying degrees and in varying forms. It's unfortunate but i think it's human nature.

That's about what i can muster, other than my "i don't want a chip" post.
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:38 PM   #35
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Old 11-11-2004, 03:29 PM   #36
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There is only reason to be afraid if you are doing something wrong int he first place. As I said in an earlier post which is now erased...I am not for the gps tracking unless you have served time, much more convenient than a damn ankle monitor hat gets cut off and then you never hear fromt hem again.

The chip being used for medical purposes is much more than you just being incapacitated and need it. This can hold your blood type, all your background medical information, identity, etc. It would make medical procedures much quicker and more efficient, instead of spending all that time which you dont have filling out forms you would simply be scanned and instead of the doctor having to look up your medical sharts all the info he would need would be right there.
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Old 11-11-2004, 03:58 PM   #37
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Re: national identity card...

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There is only reason to be afraid if you are doing something wrong int he first place. As I said in an earlier post which is now erased...I am not for the gps tracking unless you have served time, much more convenient than a damn ankle monitor hat gets cut off and then you never hear fromt hem again.

The chip being used for medical purposes is much more than you just being incapacitated and need it. This can hold your blood type, all your background medical information, identity, etc. It would make medical procedures much quicker and more efficient, instead of spending all that time which you dont have filling out forms you would simply be scanned and instead of the doctor having to look up your medical sharts all the info he would need would be right there.




My thoughts exactly. THey can track my every move all day.. and you know what.. they would get bored REALLY fast. I don't do shit.. other than work, and home. Vacation here and there.. but.. nothing really.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:31 AM   #38
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Please. Evesdropping on some e-mails and implanting a GPS locator in your hand ain't in the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport.


Yes, the eavsdropping and prosecusion/blacklisting of political deviants and ethnic minorities is just a tad bit worse than a stupid locator .

The reason I hate the Patriot Act and not this, is because the Patriot Act gives the government the right and even obligation to study your every move and action with the intent to mess with you if any remote ties to Islam or Liberalism are found (Ted Kennedy is blacklisted and on the no-fly list if you remember), violating 3 WHOLE amendments our nation was built on in the process. The implants only have what you fucking put in them and are only read when you want them to be. They're not "spy chips" you know.

And oooh, wow, they have a tracking beacon in them! Big freakin' deal, damn. I've yet to see one reason this is a bad thing that is not attributed to childish paranoia that out of 300 million Americans the CIA and FBI will be watching you and you alone 24/7 and try to go after you if they see you "walk where you shouldn't be walking". Now, I can't POSSIBLY be the only one who sees the silliness of that.

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Old 11-26-2004, 08:32 PM   #39
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What guarantee do you have that the chips can only be read when you allow it? The principle that the government has implanted chips in all of us is enough to turn any partially sane person off. Im against implanting them into criminals as well, if they are in some humans how long do you think it will be until it spreads to other people - next thing you know anyone who has ever gotten a ticket will be forced to have them. Id much rather have a prisoner be released and kill me and never be found again, than live in a world where the greatest country on earth has chips implanted in all its citizens. When you are infringing personal rights more than lil kim in nkorea - something is wrong. The ben franklin quote says it all.
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:20 PM   #40
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At the risk of not being completely read by anyone with a short attention span, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents worth. Damn, I love this section!:happycow:
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The day they start making this shit mandatory is the day I retreat into the mountains and prepare for the end times! Glad I'm a Christian!!!
Interesting perspective. Is your God only capable of keeping you safe in the mountains? If you truly are "saved", as a Christian, you ARE prepared for the end times. Running in fear, to a hideaway, is fleshly thinking. Is an omni-present God going to ignore you in the city?
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... Not to mention that having a chip implanted for medical purposes in no way infringes upon your freedoms. The only way a chip would infringe is if it had gps tracking, in which I do not support unless you have a criminal history. One of my dad's sergeant buddy's in the san antonio police dept. was just murdered the other say in his drive way after coming home from the gym by some fuck who has a long ass criminal history. If these chips would stop shit like that from happening I gladly support it. And for those of you with a criminal background reading this and thinking fuck that...fuck you and the horse you road in on, you did the crime now take the consequences so civilized people can lead a safe life.
There is absolutely no way a chip is going to prevent murder. Medical purposes only??? You told you that? I know you didn't read that anywhere other than here, because it's obvious that you haven't read anything official on the whole concept, only what you read third hand, at best. Juana asked you to google "Verichip". Please do that & read the whole of the implications, from all the detractor sites. Also google "Digital Angel" You will easily find that these chips not only enable all the so called "good" things, but they also have the ability to send out rf signals that make you more passive than you already are. Can you say "mind control"? I doubt it, because you don't even want to think it. Truth is out there for those who seek it.
From the looks of this whole forum section & the various question Juana's asked, she's trying to stimulate thought about critical issues facing us all in the future. Some of you not only can't see the forest for the trees, but you don't even want to acknowledge that such truths can even be possible. Who are the real closed minded or narrow minded people? Never mind. Just put new batteries in your remote control & grab another beer, or perhaps you just need new batteries in your joystick, so you can become the next arcade game champ.
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This chip, possessing a gps device or any other kind of information, is a step in that direction. How big or how small of a step remains to be seen.
How big or small of a step, as you say, only remains to be seen by those who haven't looked. The whole truth will never be told to the public Sheeple. You must find it on your own & it's definitely out there.
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But I'll tell you this: That chip wouldn't have prevented that murder. It would have made it possible to track the guy down faster afterwards, but it would never have prevented it.
NOT! How are you to know which chip/person to track down? Someone would have to witness the crime & scan the perpetrator as the crime was being committed, to get the right chip ID. And that's going to happen exactly how? When it's so obvious that some of the intended good, is impossible to administer, shouldn't you consider that perhaps there are other underlying reasons for it.
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I won't forfeit one iota of freedom. And it sounds like I'm not alone here.
Unless you are dead or raptured out of here, you will indeed take the mark of the beast. Or else you will not buy, sell or trade, unless you are somehow smarter than God, who said "NO MAN..."
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1: This is nothing more than a built-in Social Security Number and Medic Alert tag with the added function of a GPS locater. Being afraid of it is silly.
For a generally intelligent writer, you are naive sir. Become an expert on Digital Angel & then you will realize how all encompassing it really is. "Silly" you say? Is it silly to seek avoiding hell for eternity? My bible states that accepting the mark will be an automatic free pass to hell. Gosh, I guess such things really are silly. Then it could be that we are all guessing that the "mark" will be a chip.
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2: For people paranoid about a tracking beacon: If your child was kidnapped or lost in the forest, wouldn't you be grateful for the technology to find them before something terrible happened?
-Insaniteus-
Do you really think that those whose agenda it is to be able to track & control ALL people, would ever let any negative connotations to be revealed about the real purpose of the chips? If God is supposed to be "all knowing, all seeing, all powerful & omni present", then antichrist must attempt to counterfeit Him. You can only do that with a chip that stores all & reveals all, to anyone with a scanner.
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The implants only have what you fucking put in them and are only read when you want them to be. They're not "spy chips" you know.
Again.... so naive! They are indeed "spy" chips. "Ask & ye shall receive". Seek & ye shall find". Knock & the door shall be opened". They "are only read when you want them to be"? Wrong again. The new USA passports have chips in them. When complaining that anyone with a reader can see your info within several feet, (as in airport lines), they were told that you could simply keep them in a foil pouch, SIMILAR TO THE ONES GIVEN FOR TOLL BOOTH PASSES", which tells me that the technology is already being misused.
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And oooh, wow, they have a tracking beacon in them! Big freakin' deal, damn. I've yet to see one reason this is a bad thing that is not attributed to childish paranoia that out of 300 million Americans the CIA and FBI will be watching you and you alone 24/7 and try to go after you if they see you "walk where you shouldn't be walking". Now, I can't POSSIBLY be the only one who sees the silliness of that.
-Insaniteus-
20 years ago, you would have thought it silly to hear that one day cameras would film you as you run red lights & then get mailed a ticket. While seemingly good people think mostly good thoughts, evil people constantly dwell on evil thoughts. How many Jews during W.W.II would have willingly been relocated to "work camps & safe housing", if they had known the real outcome? Didn't you ever wonder why they didn't put up a fight? The sheeple are indeed ready for the slaughter! You're missing the big picture though. It's more likely to be used to track anyone whose idea of freedom is different than King George, or whoever is pulling his puppet strings. The Patriot act, Patriot act 2 & earlier documents have redefined "terrorist". It pretty much encompasses anyone they want it to. Who would be against finding "terrorists"? Obviously not good sheeple like you, so you have no worries anyway. Go be the first in line for your chip sir.
By the way, one of our founding fathers stated that our countries constitution was solely for a Godly people, with morals & standards & was wholly inadequate for any others. Should it surprise anyone that non Christians think it outdated or somehow ineffective today? It was designed to be an addition to the base rules of the 10 commandments in the bible. Without that base value system, it was never expected to work.
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