Justin

If I needed a chip to fly I would never leave north america and drive everywhere.

Jimi

This must be some translation.... I've read in the forearm. Next they're going to start asking us to denounce our faith while giving us these chips. The Bible does say that people will lose jobs, will not be able to shop, and will pretty much become the poorest of the poor if the mark is not accepted. Who wants to start a compound???

kgilly

I personally don't think the chis are a bad idea. For now I believe the gps chips should be implanted into criminals who are being realeased from prison. Fact is a great maority of ex-prisoners end up going back...thsi would be a much better way to track these people and know if they are getting back into bad habits or link them to any crimes. I personally don't think gps chips should be implanted into civilians with no record. However, I wouldn't mind a chip that had my medical information on it.

I saw an episode on discovery where this guy was one of the first people to be implanted with chips. He no longer needed to carry keys...his house would unlock and lock as he came ad went, his car would unlock and lock as he went, his office lights would come onas he enterd the room, and his computer would turn on when he sat down at his desk, and his tv at home would come on when he entered the living room. Could advancement as long as it is controlled and they are not tracking everybody who have done absolutely nothing wrong. But I think an effective way to cut down on crime.

kgilly

Jimi, by "the mark" in the bible I do not think they were referring to chips. The government will never have the right to implant people with chips for no reason. I believe they will get the right tio implant chips as I said earlier with felons, and maybe with parent acceptance at birth for medical informatino purposes...which I do not have a problem with as long as all it does is sore identity and medical information.

Jimi

Ehh, with people thinking the "mark" is more convenient having it than not, they will willingly get a "mark".

Stumpy

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That's pretty trusting of the government. Do you really think that's all it'll be used for? Hell, the GPS thing alone is enough to turn me off - I don't really want some clown at NASA to know when I'm on the can! Nevermind anywhere else.

"Why yes, Mr. Johnson, Stumpy's locator put him at your house during the hours of your bowling leage Tuesday night. Why do you ask?"

schutzenkonig

For anyone that thinks this is a fine idea...read the quote posted above. If they do start this, how much power do you think that that would give them? Those could easily be used for the wrong purposes, and what's the benefit? What will they try next to add on to that? Politicians don't just stop once they get more control, they go after more. With the power that runs those chips you could kill a person. With that gps device, well...Stumpy just gave an example of how that can be used to intrude privacy. While my personal beliefs keep me from agreeing with application of Roe v. Wade (mabye a discussion on that in another thread later, but certainly not now), it is based upon the right to privacy. With this right to privacy, the government has no right to put a chip in you that could tell them where you are, what you're doing, etc...

joecollins2

The day they start making this shit mandatory is the day I retreat into the mountains and prepare for the end times! Glad I'm a Christian!!!

kgilly

Well if the government was to unplant a chip and say it only ddi the following...it wouldnt be hard for one to have the chip removed and examined by someone who knows about chips and find out if it really did more than what was said. If this were true the government would be facing harsh criticisms and lawsuits. And please don't give me bullshit about the government can do whatever they want, you'd never wint he lawsuit crap...cause I don't buy you brand. The government has ben held accountable in the past...an for soemthing like this that would be infringing upon your right provided byt he constitution, which they are not above, they will and would be held accountable.

kgilly

Benjamin Franklin lived in a differnt time than we do now. He could never have even imagined the way things would have evolved. Not to mention that having a chip implanted for medical purposes in no way infringes upon your freedoms. The only way a chip would infringe is if it had gps tracking, in which I do not support unless you have a criminal history. One of my dad's sergeant buddy's in the san antonio police dept. was just murdered the other say in his drive way after coming home from the gym by some fuck who has a long ass criminal history. If these chips would stop shit like that from happening I gladly support it. And for those of you with a criminal background reading this and thinking fuck that...fuck you and the horse you road in on, you did the crime now take the consequences so civilized people can lead a safe life.

ButterMup

This is ridiculous! So much so, in fact, that at first I took this thread as an outlandish and none-too-funny joke.
Now, I only wish it was.

I think this is a horrible idea, period.
I think not only is it utterly unnecessary, but it paves the way and sets in motion the impetus toward a future "civilization" full of unavoidable arbitration, individual scrutiny, and goverment mandation in every citizen's day-to-day lives.
A new face on despotism for the new millennium.

The initial chip may not completely eridacate personal freedoms, but give it 50 years. Give it 50 years, tops.
The siren song of technology's potential, matched with the irrepressible human nature to push the envelope, and (as schutz alluded to) the desire of those in power to ever obtain more power, will prove too much, and I can't honestly say that I have faith for technology of this vast potential to remain untapped for long.
Let the government sell it as a device that will only, "really, we promise, and we would never renege on our promises! Aren't we just swell?" record and retain medical information.
Let them tell us that the only ones who need to worry about retaliation are those who are breaking, or have already broken, the law (which identifies immediately that the info this thing is linked to is obviously not solely medical).
Let it become as commonplace as a social security number, as socially accepted, and subsequently relegated to that dark little corner of our minds where we tuck away those things which don't immediately concern us, and then watch it evolve.
Watch feature by feature, advancement by advancement, proposal by motion by bill by mandate by law, as more of our personal information becomes accessible through this chip.
Watch as we accept each advancement, railing a bit, perhaps, against the particularly invasive ones, but eventually cowing nonetheless, our ever-diminishing right to act for ourselves begetting an ever-diminishing ability to think for ourselves.
Watch as we wake one day with the realization that to exhibit independant drive, desire, or motivation, to reach outside the Status Quo, is to do so with the knowledge that our daily changes will be logged, sat-linked, and recorded in a database somewhere for future evaluation by people who make it their specific business to nose around in other people's specific business.
Watch as that which was designed to help protect us from each other's ill will becomes that which does so by making us all too afraid of having Uncle Sam's vindictive finger levelled at our foreheads to behave with any will at all, ill or otherwise.

No, this might not be a direct attack on our Constitutional freedoms. Not just yet.
But as kgilly said, Ben Franklin could never have imagined the way our society would have evolved. For that matter, none of the authors of the Constitution could have, so the verbiage of our "Constitutional freedoms" becomes old hat, and the intentions of laws past fail at times to adequately encompass the reality of now, so in need of an update are they. In that sense, large parts of the Constitution are already just symbolic, and do little to actually direct the present.

I suspect sometimes that society has become so accustomed to being fed writ and madate, and of clinging tenuously to the letter of the law, that we entirely forget the validity of simple principle, of the spirit the moves the hand which writes those letters.
In that sense, even without these chips, I'm afraid the obsoletion of our personal freedoms has already very much begun.

Esco

Bad idea. Implanting chips is "Un-American" ... goes against what makes this country great - freedom.

Jimi

ButterMup, I refrained from quoting because your rant was a bit long.... but....



I agree 100%.

sillyrabbit

great quote Stumpy....couldnt have said it better

does everyone not realize what we had to do to get these freedoms we take for granted in this country?....we fought for them

what right does anyone have to think that a time wont come when we will have to fight to keep them.....war is part of history, and it will always be a part of our present day, and also our future.....chips wont give us safety, they will give government control. if we want to keep our freedoms, maybe the time has now come that we have to fight for some of them.

lets not forget, the world was built on conquering empires that expanded through war. sitting back and taking care of our own wont give us safety, it will make prisoners out of us all. if you are one that is against these chips, then maybe you shouldnt criticise the people we appointed to lead our country for going to war. sometimes you have to take action before its neccessary. when freedom, and safety is of concern, peace isnt always an option...