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Old 11-04-2004, 06:23 PM   #16
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
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to those flag burning, protesting, and baby killing tards out there living off of our countries success and reaping the benefits that our leaders allow them...the President doesn't owe them SQUAT!

That's where you're wrong. He is the President of the United States. Not united in everything, but united as one for the common good.

We are all Americans, regardless of our personal shortcomings, beliefs, or actions. Burning the flag is a despicable act, but one that is protected as much as the right to call that person an idiot.
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Old 11-04-2004, 06:31 PM   #17
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
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That's where you're wrong. He is the President of the United States. Not united in everything, but united as one for the common good.

We are all Americans, regardless of our personal shortcomings, beliefs, or actions. Burning the flag is a despicable act, but one that is protected as much as the right to call that person an idiot.

How am I wrong? Those people don't support anything our leader does, yet reap the benefits of living in a country that still defends their right to call he or she an idiot and burn the flag. LEACHES!

By your reasoning, the douchebags prancing around and singing and laughing after the September 11 stuff deserve something from our president. GET REAL!
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:00 PM   #18
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IMHO he owes the people that respect him as our leader. He owes the people that cast a vote to elect him. He owes the people that didn't vote for him, but support his decisions as our countries Comander in Chief.

He is the President of the United States, not the President of the Red States. He owes each citizen the protections afforded us under the Constitution... "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

That means those who voted for him, those who didn't, those who danced on 9/11, and those who are dying in Iraq to make sure that we can have this conversation on WR (to say nothing of the nekkidness on this site).
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:09 PM   #19
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
hey jimi:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

something you may be interested in
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Old 11-04-2004, 08:03 PM   #20
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hey jimi:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

something you may be interested in



That's lame. Just because I want betterment for the country, you are telling me to move to Canada? That's not how things work. Just because people don't agree with you, doesn't mean they should be leaving. If you believe that, maybe you should move to China.
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Old 11-05-2004, 10:33 AM   #21
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He is the President of the United States, not the President of the Red States. He owes each citizen the protections afforded us under the Constitution... "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

That means those who voted for him, those who didn't, those who danced on 9/11, and those who are dying in Iraq to make sure that we can have this conversation on WR (to say nothing of the nekkidness on this site).

The president doesnt OWE people rights given to them by the constitution. Our constitution grants the people these rights. The president tries to lead the country and is basically just the spokes person. You guys act like the country is actually RUN by Bush. It's not! He can't just wake up one day and say, WEED IS LEGAL! NO MORE TAXES! AGE OF CONCENT IS 14! You guys need to take a friggin government class or something.
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Old 11-05-2004, 12:59 PM   #22
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The damn [sarcasm] tag didn't come through. Sorry about that. The REALLY ironic thing is that I'm a democrat. Only reason I'd go to canada would be in there was a draft. Then again, I'm not going to be of draft age for much longer, so I'm not worried at all.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:52 PM   #23
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The president is much more than just the spokesperson for the country, he is ultimately the one with the final decision on matters of great importance. After he is granted authority by Congress, it is he who has the power to authorize acts of war. He has the power to veto bills that have passed both the House and the Senate.

No he can't wake up and abolish taxes or legalize weed, just as he can't just outlaw abortion, pre-marital sex, or "rumors on the internets." But he exerts enormous influence on the direction the country takes. Dubya has a chance to drastically change the makeup of the Supreme Court.

I did not say that he owes us a guarantee of happiness, but that he owes us the protections endowed by the Constitution...whether we voted for him or not.

Btw, government classes are great, but not the only way to inform yourself.
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Old 11-05-2004, 03:50 PM   #24
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
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I don't believe that at all. I believe whoever is the president in office always owes the american people something. Whether it be to defend us, the truth on matters that affect us, or to better ourselves through technological advances and research, etc. You can't say a president doesn't owe the american people jack...that's just not the truth.

On a side note. I didn't vote for Bush. But sitting here and crying about it isn't going to do a damn thing. So what am I going to do? I am going to voice my opinion on matters that I believe in and protest those that I believe are not in the best interest of the american people. I will try and do my part whether its in times I support the president on a certain issue or not. I will not however go out a sore loser, Bush is the president...it's time to take this to heart and start supporting your causes rather than cry about what you did or didn't get. Support your causes, and if they don't come out how you want, then try again next time. Don't like how the election came out...did you even voe yourself? If not, start by blaming yourself on how the election came out, but don't in any circumstance begin to degrade the american people by continually bashing our elected president. Take my rant as what you will, but its time we begin to pull together rather than being so divided, support your causes but support them in good taste. Thats my 2 cents!


wow kgilly, usually i disagree with your post but seriously there is a level of maturity in there that is very admirable
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:33 PM   #25
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
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The president is much more than just the spokesperson for the country, he is ultimately the one with the final decision on matters of great importance. After he is granted authority by Congress, it is he who has the power to authorize acts of war. He has the power to veto bills that have passed both the House and the Senate.

No he can't wake up and abolish taxes or legalize weed, just as he can't just outlaw abortion, pre-marital sex, or "rumors on the internets." But he exerts enormous influence on the direction the country takes. Dubya has a chance to drastically change the makeup of the Supreme Court.

I did not say that he owes us a guarantee of happiness, but that he owes us the protections endowed by the Constitution...whether we voted for him or not.

Btw, government classes are great, but not the only way to inform yourself.


Dubbya swore to do this:
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


That doesn't mean he owes you your rights. He protects them, preserve them (which in my opinion, too many presidents fall short of preserving the Constitution). The constitution already GIVES you your rights. Dubbya doesn't owe you JACK.
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:41 PM   #26
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So, what you're saying is that he owes us the protection of our rights, but he owes us nothing?
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:51 PM   #27
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That doesn't mean he owes you your rights. He protects them, preserve them (which in my opinion, too many presidents fall short of preserving the Constitution). The constitution already GIVES you your rights. Dubbya doesn't owe you JACK.

Are you trying to say exactly what I'm saying? If you read my posts, I never once said that Bush gives me my rights or owes me rights. They are laid out in the Constitution and it is his obligation under the oath he swore as Commander in Chief of the United States of America to preserve and defend these rights for every American citizen.

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That's where you're wrong. He is the President of the United States. Not united in everything, but united as one for the common good.

We are all Americans, regardless of our personal shortcomings, beliefs, or actions. Burning the flag is a despicable act, but one that is protected as much as the right to call that person an idiot.


Quote:
Originally Posted by nyast
He is the President of the United States, not the President of the Red States. He owes each citizen the protections afforded us under the Constitution... "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

That means those who voted for him, those who didn't, those who danced on 9/11, and those who are dying in Iraq to make sure that we can have this conversation on WR (to say nothing of the nekkidness on this site).


Quote:
Originally Posted by nyast
The president is much more than just the spokesperson for the country, he is ultimately the one with the final decision on matters of great importance. After he is granted authority by Congress, it is he who has the power to authorize acts of war. He has the power to veto bills that have passed both the House and the Senate.

No he can't wake up and abolish taxes or legalize weed, just as he can't just outlaw abortion, pre-marital sex, or "rumors on the internets." But he exerts enormous influence on the direction the country takes. Dubya has a chance to drastically change the makeup of the Supreme Court.

I did not say that he owes us a guarantee of happiness, but that he owes us the protections endowed by the Constitution...whether we voted for him or not.

Btw, government classes are great, but not the only way to inform yourself.


As I have said all along, the president owes (read: "it is his obligation under the oath he swore") to EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN (those who voted for or against him, those who break the law and those who don't) the protections that are laid out in the Constitution.

Here is the Presidential Oath of Office:
The oath to be taken by the president on first entering office is specified in Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:11 PM   #28
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Dude, you act like he ows you something. The way I was raised, you show respect to your elders and superiors. I don't give a fuck if that makes me sound like an old fogey, but ACT RIGHT! The way you portray yourself with all this, Bush is such a twat and he deserves none of my respect etc...well I don't see you getting too far in life. Reason being, your boss might be a douchebag, will you quit your job because of it?

I'm off to the real world now too


I was raised the same way ... when you're a child, you should always respect your elders. Now that I'm an adult, respect isn't something that is given freely to everybody ... rather, it's something that is earned. Just because somebody is older than me doesn't mean they can't be an asshole and not respected by me. Now don't take this as I disrespect people, because that is something entirely different. I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But you know the saying, "actions speak louder than words". That's how you earn respect in my eyes.
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Old 11-06-2004, 02:01 AM   #29
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So he is suppose to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States...but he doesn't owe us anything. You make no damn sense. You just said what his job was...how is that not owing the american people the protection and preservation of our constitution?
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Old 11-07-2004, 04:22 PM   #30
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Re: Something I think everyone should read.
He swore to do his job, he doesn't OWE you fuckers anything.
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