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Old 10-30-2004, 12:46 PM   #16
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
I would liek to add that e-bombs although not used yet are also classified as WMD. Not because of mass destruction to people, but because of mass destruction of all electrical equipment, motors, and powerlines in a radius of the electrical explosion.
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Old 10-30-2004, 12:47 PM   #17
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I thought e-bombs were programs that caused an overload of e-mails in your e-mailbox. j/k
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Old 10-30-2004, 12:49 PM   #18
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They only ever show te mushroom clouds.I always wondered what the growing cloud on the ground would look like from an arial view.
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Old 10-30-2004, 03:32 PM   #19
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actually i can Jimi ....i think explosives commonly used in terrorist attacks that cause many deaths, or destroy buildings are in fact WMD...they may not be capable of destroying cities, but hundreds dead is massive enough for me to be concerned

...and you cant detonate a nuclear bomb by shooting it....i looked into it just in case you were right :happycow: ....plus, that was a pretty weak argument for you Jimi...i expected more from you

....do you really think banning them from owning guns would be that bad of an idea?...personally i dont see why the average person needs a few automatic weapons, some hand grenades, and an RPG or two to be happy in life :wiggle:

and what?....no comment on the UN sanctions?



What's wrong with a few automatic weapons? Since no legally owned automatic weapons have been used in crime here in the US since 1934, why should you ban them? I don't see how you could think that banning guns would be a good idea.
But...if this gives you an idea of how hard it would be to ban guns in iraq: One AK-47 costs approximately 50 dollars in the middle east and a grenade runs for less than a buck. Supply and demand should explain how many AKs there are in the middle east nowadays.
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Old 10-30-2004, 03:34 PM   #20
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Actually, automatic weapons are used in crime. In fact, my father, being a police officer, has confiscated quite a few.
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Old 10-30-2004, 04:06 PM   #21
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you missed his point jimi, no legal automatic weapons have been used, once again the criminal element is going to use automatic weapons if they are banned or not, so why ban?, but different issue, we can do that one in a different thread if ya want
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Old 10-30-2004, 04:54 PM   #22
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Old 10-30-2004, 11:13 PM   #23
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you missed his point jimi, no legal automatic weapons have been used, once again the criminal element is going to use automatic weapons if they are banned or not, so why ban?, but different issue, we can do that one in a different thread if ya want


You do understand that same arguement can be used from anywhere to illegal drugs to violent crimes? "It's gonna happen so why ban it?"
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Old 10-30-2004, 11:14 PM   #24
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Or, why ban murder? It's gonna happen anyway!
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Old 10-31-2004, 09:30 AM   #25
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Sillyrabbit, you're almost grasping for straws here. A nation is allowed to own conventional weaponry for defense, even Iraq. Iraq's bunkers of explosives are so amazingly trivial compared to other nations, few even in the 3rd world are less armed than Iraq was.

Besides, the definition of WMD has been explained here enough. We can't just retroactively say "Well...they had things that go boom!" and act like that mattered.

PS: I would like to point out that I beleived Bush before the war, and supported him almost unquestioningly. The reason so many are so mad, is because we feel betrayed by the man we trusted the most.

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Old 10-31-2004, 11:29 AM   #26
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You do understand that same arguement can be used from anywhere to illegal drugs to violent crimes? "It's gonna happen so why ban it?"


Because automatic weapons are used legitimately by those who own them legally, drugs to violent crimes...that's not legitimate, come on now Esco.

Oh, that previous link (http://forums.webrats.com/showthread.php?t=18822) is to my thread discussing automatic weapons so we can stop hijacking sillyrabbits thread.
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Old 11-01-2004, 12:52 AM   #27
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Because automatic weapons are used legitimately by those who own them legally, drugs to violent crimes...that's not legitimate, come on now Esco.

Oh, that previous link (http://forums.webrats.com/showthread.php?t=18822) is to my thread discussing automatic weapons so we can stop hijacking sillyrabbits thread.

That's not even the point. If you refuse to ban something because it's going to happen anyway where do you draw the line? I'm not attacking his stand, I'm attacking his weak arguement.
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:31 AM   #28
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His stance is that legally owned automatic guns are not used in crime, only illegally owned ones. This means that if a full ban were put into place, it would have ZERO effect on the crime rate, since the criminals will get their guns regardless, because they ALWAYS got them illegally. All the ban would do is limit the rights and defenses of law-abiding citizens. THAT'S his stance, and it's not really very weak :P.

I have a beleif that a law should exist to protect a victim. If there is no victim, usually this means the law is an unjust abuse against our rights. A full ban would save noone, meaning the law is both not-helpful and the wrong thing to do.

However...I find myself doubting the "None legally owned used for crime" statistic, which if proven wrong negates everything .

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Old 11-01-2004, 12:06 PM   #29
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Since 1934, only one legally owned machine gun has ever been used in crime, and that was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

BUT...seeing as this is (implicitly) refering to CIVILIAN ownership, the statistic stands.
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Old 11-01-2004, 03:00 PM   #30
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whats with the name callin Jimi ....and if the UN sanctions didnt include the materials in that very same bunker, then how did they have the right to seal it off?

im still waitin for anyone to give a positive reason for anyone to be able to own an automatic weapon?...

youre all arguing that no crimes have been committed here in the U.S. from legally owned automatic weapons, except your missin the point that its illegal for the average American citizen to own an automatic weapon...

theres crime everywhere, i dont care what theyre using....the point is that normal everyday people have no reason why they should be able to have automatic weapons and grenades. youve all given statistics about the U.S. when my argument was for over there in the middle east where the average person has these weapons in their homes and people are regulary shot and killed using them

Kgilly.....i was talkin more about how they are very uncivilized and would start with some kind of effective police force or even military presence and then offer food and water to the people that turn in their guns, and forceably take em from those who dont turn em in.....nothing good has come from these people owning these weapons, i was thinkin it might be time to try somethin new

and a ......stop sayin "HIS" opinion, or "HIS" stance.....last time i checked im a female
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