kgilly

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Why is it that when Kerry's war record was attacked that all the republicans bad mouthed Kerry and criticized him for not being tougher on bush? Then CBS finally does a segment on Bush's record as well as Kerry and Edwards attacking his record with the help of a well known senator, and now they are saying that Bush's record has nothing to do with his presidency. It bothers me that republicans say that democrats wine about maters but then look at Hannity and all the hard core republicans being brats over the CBS footage. Who started the war record bashing? Bush did...so why if war records have nothing to do with being a presidnt did he start it? I want to hear what others have to say about this. Please don't twist any facts around...lets keep it clean. And just for the record I am neither a democrat or republican...I vote for th best man for the job, so please just stay on topic and lets have a nice debate.

Insaniteus

Yeah, I kinda think that whole scenario is funny, classic "turnabout is fair play". Republicans are madder over this because Bush's failures are based on facts and navy records while Kerry's have been mostly hear-say from vets who've had a grudge against him since his protesting days.

-Insaniteus-

Lorill

Question: How did Bush start the war record bashing? He and his administration have ALWAYS said that Kerry's military is impressive. The only people bashing Kerry's record are the Swift Boat Veterans that served with him, other Vietnam vets, and the strongly conservative radio personalities. Bush has never said a negative word about Kerry's military record and has never had an advertisement addressing it.

As for the whole war record debate... Kerry built his campaign around his military record. Bush didn't. Of course people are going to attack Kerry on it when that is what his whole campaign is based on.

Lorill

And are you referring to the CBS footage about the fake memos? Republicans have a right refute (or "be brats" about, as you put it) a entirely made-up story ran by a primetime network news show that tries to destroy their presidential canidate less than 2 months from election... in my opinion.

Jimi

Kerry has never "built his campaign around his military record." Any speech I have seen that he spoke about military was basically in rebuttal to something stupid some off-the-wall liberal had said. Bush speaks badly of Kerry's record ALL THE TIME. Tima and time again have I seen Bush put down Kerry's war record. Lorill, you seem like a rather intelligent guy, but on this post, you are going completely against fact because of your unbased loyalty to our criminal leader.

Lorill

Name ONE bad thing Bush has EVER said about Kerry's war record. Give me an example.....hm?.... you can't, can you. That is because he never has. For one, it would be political SUICIDE if he did. Now, he has said stuff about how Kerry flip-flops and has bashed his voting record concerning the Iraq war in the Senate, but now I am getting off topic and I don't want to hijack this thread. Just try to give me an example of Bush putting Kerry's war record down... and this challenge goes for everyone. If you can give me one, I will make like Dan Rather and apologize like a whipped puppy.

Lorill

"I'm John Kerry, and I'm.... reporting.... for doooooooty"

Jimi

As for the knocking Kerry's war record, there have been some that *I* have seen myself, and I will find them. As far as the quote, that was John Kerry making a knock at Bush, which was wrong, but as I've said, he is the lesser of two wrongs.

Lorill

Did you get stuck in your quest to give me an example, Nibiru? Resorting to opening new threads and changing the subject, are we? Typical liberal.

kgilly

First off I personally saw an interview with the first Bush in which he attacked Kerry's war records done on Fox News. Secondly Bush has had campaign ads that bash Kerry's records...where have you been? There have been not just one but quite a few. Kerry did not build his campaign around his war record...while he did mentio quite regularly that he was a vietnam vet, he did not build his campaign on it. Lastly you prove my point over the CBS footage. The swift boat veterans case was blown wide open as well if you saw any of the Hardball with Chris Matthews epiodes in which he had some of the swift war veterans on and made them eat their words. You didn't see this on Fox News though, so you probably knew nothing about it. Also do you really believe that Dan Rather was trying to destroy Bush before the campaign. Yo are deeply mistaken, just because he couldn;t authenticate a PART of his story does not make the whole damng thing false. Yes, scrap the documents that can not be authenticated, but Dan Rather was running a story and has an impecable record with journalism. If you are going to get that upset over Dan Rather;s one mistake then maybe you should look harder at your cocaine head president's many mistakes and be harder on him.

vixy022685

I too think it's due to Kerry's campaign is based around his war-service (his ad's don't start off 'This is John Kerry reporting for duty' for nothing), whereas Bush knows he shouldn't emphasize his record, so he doesn't.

Soldiers don't always make Presidents.

Jimi

Again, I'm not a liberal. I vote for ahowever I think represents and upholds office to the best of their potential.

Lorill

GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE of a time when Bush has bashed Kerry's war record. What did he say? Saying, "Bush has had campaign ads that bash Kerry's records...where have you been?" doesn't prove anything. The only ads that have questioned his record are from the SWIFT BOAT VETERANS and NOT the BUSH CAMPAIGN.

Lorill

I went ahead and found some proof for you guys. Just FYI, this took about 3 minutes.


Bush criticizes outsider ads
President calls 527s, like anti-Kerry one, 'bad for the system'

By DAVID ESPO, The Associated Press


WASHINGTON -- More than a week after it stopped running, President Bush on Monday criticized a commercial by the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth that accused John Kerry of inflating his Vietnam War record.
Bush said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House.

"I think they're bad for the system," said Bush, who had ignored calls to condemn the ad while it was on the air.

The four-term Massachusetts senator, who came home from Vietnam with five medals, has made his wartime service a cornerstone of his challenge to the president.

Sean McCabe, a spokesman for the veterans' group, said the ad that questioned Kerry's record ran in three states for a week and stopped Aug. 12. The organization intends to begin airing a second commercial today in three other states. That spot intersperses clips of a youthful Kerry talking about war atrocities during an appearance before Congress in 1971 with images of members of the swift boat group condemning his testimony.

Asked about the issue, Bush said, "I think Sen. Kerry served admirably, and he ought to be proud of his record. But the question is: Who is best to lead the country in the war on terror? Who can handle the responsibilities of the commander in chief?"

Many ads aired by liberal groups have targeted Bush's re-election campaign.

"I hope my opponent joins me in ... condemning these activities of the 527s. It's -- I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold," Bush said.

His comment on 527s referred to independent groups that raise money in unlimited amounts. The so-called McCain-Feingold bill banned the political parties from raising such money.

Although Kerry and Democrats have demanded that Bush condemn the attack on Kerry's war record, the president has been targeted by an estimated $60 million in commercials from outside groups since the campaign began.

Kerry has declined to call for an end to those ads, which helped him at a time when he did not have the money to compete with Bush's campaign advertising budget.