dade murphy

I thought there might be a few bed wetting liberals here. If you think it is bad now wait til the real shit hits the fan. We are in Iraq/Afganistan to show these cave dwelling extremist muslims we mean business. Lybia took the message to heart. There is no other way to suppress extreme Islam. They do not respond to negotiations, it only encourages their brutality and disrepect for life. Look at what the Clinton administration did after the first World Trade Center Bombing. They lobbed a couple of cruise missles at some damn $5 tents and called it a day. They were afraid to rack up some casualties so we paid for it later on 9.11.01
This is a critical mission to "format" the middle east.

It really is simple. We do the whoop-ass tour of the mid-east. Tear out their shitty freedom hating twisted ass version of islam and replace it with a democratic system. Religion has no place in government. Bad things happen when a non-secular government is established.

1. We MUST fight the war on terror on their turf. Do you want bombs going off over here? "But Iraq has nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9.11" I am sorry you are not seeing the big picture here. You are looking at today. Try to look at the future. Iraq is a huge influence in the middle east. That is why the extremists are fighting so hard for control. Surely that makes sense...

2. President Bush has done everything he has said he will do. That says a hell of a lot. How many people do you know that do that? W knows what needs to be done and he is doing it to the best of our ability and resources.

3. If we leave Iraq now countless others will die for nothing. Lets look at Iraq as a warm up. I hate to say it but things are going to get a lot worse. We are in this together.

4. John Kerry IS a nice guy, I am sure of it. However we do not need him now. Not in the middle of the most important military campaign since WWII.
I think this guy would totally screw us. Not on purpose, he means well. He wants to talk things over and kiss asses. That is nice if your girlfriend is mad. Unfortunatly your gf doesn't cut heads off when things do not go her way. I hope...

5. There is no other way to prevail. Radical Islam must be wiped from the face of the Earth. Ignoring it won't help. Clinton tried that. We must keep our eye on the goal. Stand fast, be stong and believe that there is a better day ahead.

So yeah, go ahead and pull out of Iraq. Iraq wasn't a mistake it was a deliberate invasion to initiate the enemy in their streets, not in ours. "Scare tactics! Scare tactics!" You better be scared. They will hack your damn head off too. You and I are not immune. They will kill us just as quickly. If you don't believe that then you are a damn fool.

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I doubt that every member of Al queda was directly involved in the attacks, yet the US government is going after all of them. Its called guilt by association. And the rest of the post is just political spin, giving ingorant americans their lil justification for attacking a county the size of a peanut.

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When G W Bush tells us on national tv that god is on his sidem it kinda makes me think that religion does have a huge place in our government... how bout the ten commandments "scandal". Don't throw rocks at your neighbors when you live in a glass house.

shade23z

All these liberal pacifist weinies piss me off oversimplifying things like the only reason we invaded Iraq is because of WMD and/or because Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Or, "we just did it for the oil!" Yeah, that's why were at $54 a barrel...

What Dubya says is exactly true - if Kerry was in office then Saddam would still be in power, and it's funny seeing Kerry posturing like that's not true. Sorry Flipper, it is. We probably would have been attacked at least a couple more times on our soil since 9/11, and the Middle East would be an even bigger shitstorm than it is now.

I am seriously scared at the thought that Kerry actually has a shot in this election.

Jimi

Clinton stopped attacks before Bush was in office. Bush ignored the reports given to him. Republicans are always about being macho and shit. Just because someone doesn't agree with something doesn't make them a weenie. You say that liberals over-simplify... then tell us what YOU think we went to war for?

Jimi

As far as your flipper comment..... typically, Republicans have an idea of letting people deal with their own business. Much as we are letting Chad, Kenya, Somalia, Ethopia, Cambodia, Philippines, Malaysia, etc.... "deal" with their own problems and genocide. Why is it, then, that we can choose to take out the Saddam regime, yet let other countries sustain the opression that they receive every single day? If you ask me, that's the ultimate flip-flop.

shade23z

Settle down there Jimi! I want to get the hell out of the office so don't have time for a huge response...but I think we wanted to dismantle a brutal dictatorship that scoffed at U.N. weapons inspectors and sanctions for over 12 years (terms of surrender after the 1st Gulf War), knowingly harbored terrorists, etc... The U.N. didn't have the backbone to support it's own Resolution 1441!

As for the flip-flop reference asking why we don't get more involved with situations like Ethiopia et al - I think it's because they don't pose such a direct threat to the health and well-being of us here in the U.S. Do you think Kerry would work his whole broad-based diplomacy angle and network of alliances to solve all the problems of the world?

Jimi

Iraq posed no direct threat. I think Kerry would work harder on the issues that pertain more to the US. Iraq was about finishing a job that Bush didn't feel was finished, and upping his oil stocks. What terrorists did Iraq knowingly harbor? N. Korea is more of a threat than Iraq ever was. But, Bush said... "You don't give dictators ultimatums." He gave one to Iraq, and it was so short that no one really knew what was going on. He didn't give the UN enough time to finish their analysis of possible WMDs in Iraq. And now we know there were none. Obviously, he didn't scoff the sanctions. He didn't have the weapons. The UN had the backbone to do their job accordingly. Bush didnt' let them.

nyast

He has never claimed he would "solve all the problems of the world." A lot can be seen in the differences between how GHW Bush and GW Bush handled the respective wars they oversaw in the Middle East.
GHW Bush build a powerful INTERNATIONAL coalition, both in terms of financial and manpower participation. GW Bush's coalation is strong neither in terms of financial or manpower participation. GHWB was internationally respected (why is that such a bad goal?); GWB is overwhelmingly disapproved of internationally.

Had the inspectors continued their jobs, we would have discovered that Saddam did not pose an immediate threat to the national security of the United States. Regardless of the financial schemes employed by Saddam, our allies would have supported an invasion had we discovered WMDs. As it turned out, they were correct in withholding judgement until they had as much credible information as possible. That requires taking ALL of the intelligence you have available and forming an overall view of the situation...not seizing on anything that supports your case for action.

CD

Bush Sr. is voting for Kerry

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schutzenkonig

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um...what? Where'd you here this?

Jimi

Bush Sr. wouldn't vote for Kerry. C'mon, Dubya is his SON.

CD

It's called a joke... unless it's true...

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Jimi

I figured it was a joke.