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08-01-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: Bush--All the bad things he has done
Hate to revive this ... but I don't know how I missed all this stimulating discussion. Here's a few interesting links:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politi...diplomats_x.htm
Angered by Bush administration policies they contend endanger national security, 26 retired U.S. diplomats and military officers are urging Americans to vote President Bush out of office in November.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...adio/index.html
A former Air Force chief of staff and one-time "Veteran for Bush" said Saturday that America's foreign relations for the first three years of President Bush's term have been "a national disaster" but that the president's Democratic rival was "up to the task" of rebuilding.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain618896.shtml
Retired General Anthony Zinni is one of the most respected and outspoken military leaders of the past two decades.
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But Zinni broke ranks with the administration over the war in Iraq, and now, in his harshest criticism yet, he says senior officials at the Pentagon are guilty of dereliction of duty -- and that the time has come for heads to roll.
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Bottom line, the buck stops with Bush and it's apparent to plenty of respected, bi-partisan people that it's time to get rid of the Bush administration. People like Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, and Joe Wilson have served admirably for both administrations and still see fundamental problems with Bush and his administration.
Kerry might not be the best choice ... but when you put him up against Bush he certainly looks like the obvious choice.
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08-01-2004, 11:18 PM
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Re: Bush--All the bad things he has done
Sorry again ... couldn't resist.
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08-02-2004, 12:30 AM
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Last two are two of the best posts I've seen. :rock:
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08-02-2004, 01:21 AM
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You do realize that the UN is useless without us. We are the power behind the UN. We leave, it is doomed to the same fate as the League of Nations
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08-02-2004, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Esco
Hate to revive this ... but I don't know how I missed all this stimulating discussion. Here's a few interesting links:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politi...diplomats_x.htm
Angered by Bush administration policies they contend endanger national security, 26 retired U.S. diplomats and military officers are urging Americans to vote President Bush out of office in November.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...adio/index.html
A former Air Force chief of staff and one-time "Veteran for Bush" said Saturday that America's foreign relations for the first three years of President Bush's term have been "a national disaster" but that the president's Democratic rival was "up to the task" of rebuilding.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain618896.shtml
Retired General Anthony Zinni is one of the most respected and outspoken military leaders of the past two decades.
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But Zinni broke ranks with the administration over the war in Iraq, and now, in his harshest criticism yet, he says senior officials at the Pentagon are guilty of dereliction of duty -- and that the time has come for heads to roll.
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Bottom line, the buck stops with Bush and it's apparent to plenty of respected, bi-partisan people that it's time to get rid of the Bush administration. People like Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, and Joe Wilson have served admirably for both administrations and still see fundamental problems with Bush and his administration.
Kerry might not be the best choice ... but when you put him up against Bush he certainly looks like the obvious choice.
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You know, I am willing to bet you can find just as many retired politicians and retired military personal that are for him. But then the media never seems to point that out now do they? Remember the media reports as they wish and show's you what they wish to show you. Not everything is as it seems. Do you believe everything you read?
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08-02-2004, 12:49 PM
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bin landin is not in a box
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08-02-2004, 01:15 PM
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bin landin is not in a box
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How do you know this?
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08-05-2004, 02:30 AM
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mxpxbigd:
You can't have it both ways. If Bush was responsible for the recession that actually began (pay attention now) BEFORE he was inagurated, then you must give him credit for the recovery. If you say it was his fault that it happened, then you just address when it happened.
If you quote projected deficits and surpluses (sp?) then you have to address that the projections do not take into account things like 9-11. If you don't think that had an effect than you can't be helped. And if you think that Bush was responsible for 9-11, then you really need to wake up. Not even Michael (egomaniacal liar) Moore is claiming that.
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08-05-2004, 02:34 AM
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Esco:
I suppose you simply discount the men who served with John Kerry in Vietnam. Their opinions don't mean much do they? Or could it be that they don't get the press coverage that the anti-bush folks get?
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08-05-2004, 09:56 AM
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mxpxbigd:
You can't have it both ways. If Bush was responsible for the recession that actually began (pay attention now) BEFORE he was inagurated, then you must give him credit for the recovery. If you say it was his fault that it happened, then you just address when it happened.
If you quote projected deficits and surpluses (sp?) then you have to address that the projections do not take into account things like 9-11. If you don't think that had an effect than you can't be helped. And if you think that Bush was responsible for 9-11, then you really need to wake up. Not even Michael (egomaniacal liar) Moore is claiming that.
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Michael Moore may be obnoxious, and egotistical, but he isn't a liar. Everything he says is fact, or he would be sued for slander. It can all be verified. Even soldiers who supported Bush before, then went to Iraq are changing their minds about him.
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08-09-2004, 10:47 PM
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Re: Bush--All the bad things he has done
Plus having such a huge ticketsale for his movie seems to imply that the moviegoers aren't merely going there to waste their money on lies.
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08-10-2004, 12:22 AM
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Huge ticket sales for his movie doesn't imply that they all support his position. Just like huge ticket sales for "The Passion" doesn't imply they all believe in Jesus.
People need to keep an open mind and listen to both sides. Those who whole heartedly support their candidate without questioning their motives or position are just sheeple.
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08-10-2004, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NibiruZen
Michael Moore may be obnoxious, and egotistical, but he isn't a liar. Everything he says is fact, or he would be sued for slander. It can all be verified. Even soldiers who supported Bush before, then went to Iraq are changing their minds about him.
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Please tell me you don't believe this... "Everything he says is fact" - Unbelievable! Give me a camera, unlimited footage that I can edit in any fashion I deem necessary, and a gaggle of people willing to believe anything that I spew... I give you Michael Moore. This guy is nothing but a left wing propagandist that preys on the minds of the weak. He espouses the views of the poor and down trodden, yet I don't hear of him giving his hundreds of millions of dollars to those poor. Also, he claims that Canada is such a great place, why doesn't he tear a## across the border? Oh, I forgot, the good ol USA is the reason he is so rich and if he moved to Canada he would lose almost half of it to the socialized system.
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08-10-2004, 01:01 AM
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08-10-2004, 05:57 AM
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Re: Bush--All the bad things he has done
Ahem....
Why Bush is Evil
by Indigenous
Bush misrepresented evidence on Iraq to the United Nations
Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations was a watershed moment in the run-up to the Iraq war. Powell's reputation as a moderate and credible voice made the evidence he presented about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction seem that much more impressive. But as State Department employee Greg Thielmann reveals, it was nothing but twisted and misleading evidence, trumped up to sell Bush's Iraq war.
*Link*
Bush proposes loosening protections of endangered species
Sure, species extinction is a bad thing, but is it as bad as, say, not having a wastebasket made out of real ivory? That's the position of the Bush administration, anyway, which lifts restrictions on killing and trading endangered species. But at least it's only foreign animals. Who cares about those animals in other countries?
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Bush declares Marriage Protection Week
Is the institution of marriage in danger? Because as far as I can tell, people are still getting married. But President Bush apparently thinks marriage is in dire need of protection, and hops into action by declaring "Marriage Protection Week." Bush, of course, thinks that marriage needs protection from gay couples, who want to attack marriage by, uh, getting married. I'm not quite sure how that works, but if those pesky gays get equal rights, then EVERBODY will want them!
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Bush gives federal funds to religious groups
President Bush continues his efforts to chip away at the wall between church and state by issuing new regulations that allow new federal funds to go religious groups. I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the groups who have gotten their hands on some of this cash have so far only been right-wing Christian groups...
Bush uses the September 11 attacks to justify all his policies
Why should we pass tax cuts for the rich? The September 11 attacks. Why should we clear cut forests and let polluters write environmental policy? The September 11 attacks. Why has America lost millions of jobs since Bush took office? The September 11 attacks. Why is the damn toilet clogged up again? The September 11 attacks!
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Bush allows the sale of PCB-polluted lands
President Bush's EPA reversed a 25-year policy of not selling lands polluted by PCBs. The bans prevented people from spreading the pollution until the EPA could ensure the lands were clean. Not any more. Remember when EPA stood for Environmental Protection Agency? Ah, those were the days...
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Bush expands global abortion gag rules
One of Bush's first acts in office was to limit funding to international organizations that provide abortions. Now he expands that rule so that no federal funds can go to international organizations that provide any abortions, even with their own funds. The result, of course, is devastating for the health of the world's poorest women.
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Bush awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton
Look, Halliburton may be the best company to provide contracting services in Iraq. It may not be. But one thing is certain: it looks awfully suspicious for the Bush administration to award a no-bid contract to Halliburton when Vice President Cheney used to be the company's CEO. What's more, it completely contradicts the White House's professed distaste for government interference in a free market. A bidding process would drive down the costs for the taxpayer and guarantee improved services. But it would mean smaller profits for Cheney's old firm. God forbid...
Bush lied about air quality after September 11 attacks
After the September 11 attacks, the EPA told New Yorkers it was safe to live and work near Ground Zero. It turns out that under White House pressure, the EPA lied about the data it had and omitted important information about the quality of the air and what New Yorkers needed to do to stay healthy. It may take years to see the effects -- possibly birth defects or increased cancer rates -- of what may be one of Bush's worst lies yet.
Bush promotes a federal ban on gay marriage.
Conservatives believe that gay people getting married somehow threatens heterosexual marriages. (They never seem particularly clear on how that works.) President Bush believes that an unsatisfied conservative base somehow threatens his reelection chances. (It's pretty clear how that works.) The solution is clear. Bush attacks gay marriage, suggesting that his administration is working on a way to make it illegal everywhere in the country. His attack comes at the expense of equality and dignity for homosexuals, values that Bush has never seemed to hold in high regard.
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Bush obstructed the September 11 investigation
Remember when President Bush's complaint with the weapons inspectors was that all their interviews were conducted in front of Iraqi government "minders"? Apparently he objected to the instance but likes the principle. When the independent commission (long opposed by Bush) investigating the attacks of September 11 interviews intelligence personnel, the Justice Department insists on having a "minder" in the room, chilling testimony before the commission. And that's just the tip of the Bush administration obstructionism iceberg. The commission complains of interference and noncooperation from all over the administration, noting that " problems that have arisen so far with the Department of Defense are becoming particularly serious."
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All that and I didn't mention Michael Moore once!
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