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Old 06-02-2008, 10:34 PM   #16
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yeah well if goldfish were so fuckin' smart they'd have communicated it to us or avoided capture before now.

and on that happy note, I'd love to mack on a nice dolphin cutlet as well.

intelligent fish, my dick.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:38 PM   #17
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Why were animals put on earth..to take up space.I was taught to eat'em and wear'em,Gold fish suck,they taste like a carp without a mud vein.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:00 AM   #18
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Why the goldfishbowl is bad

Many of the goldfish will end up in a goldfishbowl. People unfortunately don't realize that this is an instrument of torture for the fish. What makes it so bad? First of all the goldfish bowl is of course much too small. The bowl usually contains only a few litres of water. If they are lucky and get a big fishbowl it contains 10 to 15 litres of water. That's far too little for a goldfish who needs at least 250 litres. The small amount of water in a fishbowl not only gets dirty very quickly, but can also become too warm very fast. Due to the shape of the bowl the contact area of the water with the air is so small that there is a constant lack of oxygen. The living environment of the fishbowl offers the goldfish no interests or variety. They can't take their bearings, conceal themselves, keep their distance from other fish and search for food. The bowl also barely offers any room to move. Fish, Goldfish as well, are built to swim considerable distances. In a bowl they can just swim in circles. According to the opinion of the experts the goldfishbowl is absolutely unsuitable for keeping fish. The biologist and head of the Wilhelma Aquarium in Stuttgart, Dr Dieter Jauch, writes in his book about the care of goldfish, Goldfish in aquariums and gardenponds; 'who ever puts goldfish in this sort of prison is committing animal abuse'.




http://www.animalfreedom.org/englis...ldfishbowl.html

Care to express an original thought?? Or at least give credit where credit is due?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:23 PM   #19
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http://www.animalfreedom.org/englis...ldfishbowl.html

Care to express an original thought?? Or at least give credit where credit is due?



Off subject, but as far as original thought goes, many philosophers argue that that there is not original thought..... Maybe you would like to try?

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In my philosophy class, my teacher said it would be impossible to come up with an original though without spending years on it and going crazy. He said that's what the man in the movie A Beautiful Mind is trying to achieve an original thought. I've never seen it, but I would think its next to impossible to come up with one now. At one time or another, each thought was original, somebody had to think of it first. But that goes back thousands of years. So I wouldn't hold my breathe trying to come up with one.
ETA: I do believe there are original thoughts, I just think they exist as much as they used too. For example, there are always new techniques and ideas when it comes to art. Take Jackson Pollack. His idea was original as far I know. But he thought of it first. But the idea of expression through art is not an original idea. For the idea or thought to be original you should not be able to trace it back to anything. It has to be completely new.
Definitions:
1. belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning: The book still has its original binding.
2. new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising.
3. arising or proceeding independently of anything else: an original view of history.
4. capable of or given to thinking or acting in an independent, creative, or individual manner: an original thinker.
5. created, undertaken, or presented for the first time: to give the original performance of a string quartet.
Original is the beginning, it is the start of something. Therefore I believe an original thought or idea can only exist if no one has ever thought of anything similar before. I believe there were original thoughts at one time, so there is such a thing, but I think its almost impossible to come up with one now, in today's world.


And as far as giving credit where credit is due, you probably have people rolling on the floor laughing with that comment.... You obviously don't go to the eoth.............. I am made fun of, because of how technical I am and how many times I site (or give credit where credit is due), or ask others to do so.... This section of the forum is not as structured, so I omitted the source.... And ask yourself this, if someone can say it better, why would I not cut and paste....

Now onto fish.......

Biologists now know that a fish hook hurts fish..... I fish religiously, but have empathy for a fish and feel guilt for a fish I disable or kill that I do not eat it...

Some fish outlive humans and experience more than we do.....

Keeping a fish in captivity in an environment that I will not survive, is barbaric to some people... Some people that put a lot of thought into rights and what life is about, do not value one life over another....... There is no evidence that you feel more emotionally or physically than many other lifeforms....

Others people may find it immoral to remove life from a habbitat when 90% of marine life is already extint.......
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All wild seafood will disappear in 50 years, says ecologists' study

By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Friday, 3 November 2006


All wild seafood will have disappeared from the world's menus within 50 years if current trends in overfishing continue according to one of the most comprehensive studies of marine life.


http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...udy-422756.html


If you would like to have a serious conversation on animals and there value, original thoughts or anything philosophical, meet me in the edge of the hole with an original thought of your own, or at least be able to tell me who had the original thought....

Lastly, I am not endorsing any point of view on this subject, only lending information that may help some people understand others feelings on the matter, which should induce thought for any intellectual, even if they don't agree....... Where do you see yourself?
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:24 PM   #20
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An estimated 95 percent of saltwater fish sold in pet shops came from the wild, mostly from the waters around Indonesia, the Philippines, Fiji, and other Pacific islands. More than 20 million fish, 12 million corals, and 10 million other types of marine life—like anemones, shrimps, and mollusks—are captured every year to support a $300 million worldwide “hobby.”

Collectors douse the coral reefs with cyanide, which is ingested by the fish who live there, and as reported in Scientific American, “[t]he resulting asphyxiation stuns some fish and sends others into spasms, making them easy to grab by hand or net.” Half the affected fish die on the reef, and 40 percent of those who survive the initial poisoning die before they reach an aquarium. Cyanide also kills the coral reefs themselves, and marine biologists rank it as one of the biggest dangers in Southeast Asian waters.


Fish have cognitive abilities that equal and sometimes surpass those of non-human primates. They can recognize individuals, use tools, and maintain complex social relationships. Biologists wrote in Fish and Fisheries that fish are “steeped in social intelligence, pursuing Machiavellian strategies of manipulation, punishment and reconciliation, exhibiting stable cultural traditions, and co-operating to inspect predators and catch food.”

Fish communicate with one another through a range of low-frequency sounds—from buzzes and clicks to yelps and sobs. These sounds, which are audible to humans only with the use of special instruments, communicate emotional states such as alarm or delight and help with courtship. The pumps and filters necessary in many home aquariums can interfere with this communication. “[A]t the least, we’re disrupting their communication; at worst, we’re driving them bonkers,” says ichthyologist Phillip Lobel.

Not to argue too much, but 250l is WAY too much for a single goldfish. I'm not saying a goldfish won't be happy in that much water, but seriously, a goldfish only really needs probably about 35g.

As far as the animal trade, I think as far as animals don't go extinct in the wild, they should be sold on the market.

They get fed, medicated, no fear of predation, etc. Maybe not freshwater so much, but salwater fish are taken care of by the typical hobbiest.
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:54 PM   #21
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i usually like to keep it in the bag that the carnival gives me. its very roomy in there for it. sometimes i put it into a beer stein but i stopped when my drunk uncle drank one. oh well
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:12 PM   #22
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No one likes a happy fish.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:27 PM   #23
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As far as the animal trade, I think as far as animals don't go extinct in the wild, they should be sold on the market.



You may want to watch this, if that is your standard..... You will need to watch this:






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No one likes a happy fish.



i dunno why but that seriously made me lol
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:55 PM   #25
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My standard? I was a zookeeper with fish, I studied bio and marine bio in college, I have kept many fish, and done many field studies, and I know what I know. /i believe that animals should be kept in the wild in the environment that was meant for them, but I also know that's not possible with humans capturing everything, so to make a half-emtpy bottle half-full... there are serious upsides to keeping animals in captivity.

If you say it's against nature, then I would prefer you stop using a computer, and go find a cave and hunt your own food, because housing and computers are not natures way.
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:07 PM   #26
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My standard? I was a zookeeper with fish, I studied bio and marine bio in college, I have kept many fish, and done many field studies, and I know what I know. /i believe that animals should be kept in the wild in the environment that was meant for them, but I also know that's not possible with humans capturing everything, so to make a half-emtpy bottle half-full... there are serious upsides to keeping animals in captivity.

If you say it's against nature, then I would prefer you stop using a computer, and go find a cave and hunt your own food, because housing and computers are not natures way.



Just watch the lecture......
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Brave New Ocean

by Dr. Jeremy Jackson
William E. and Mary B. Ritter Professor, Scripps Institution of Oceanography and Senior Scientist, Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute


What is the Lecture About?

The biodiversity of the oceans is in critical decline. Major drivers of the Brave New Ocean include over-exploitation, destruction of habitats, globalization of species, ocean warming, poisoning of food webs, and the rise of slime. The future of coral reefs is threatened by over fishing, trawling, introduced species, warming, and pollution, along with many other drivers of change. There is little public or general scientific awareness of the scale of the changes that have occurred or their implications for the future. The challenge for sustainability in the oceans is to develop successful management and conservation strategies.


http://www.esi.utexas.edu/outreach/...ckson/index.php
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:09 PM   #27
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No no, I understand the decline... bleaching corals, less C02, whatnot... I'm just saying that PETA has it all wrong. They're a terrorist organization for a seemingly good deed.
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Old 06-06-2008, 11:07 AM   #28
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Biologists now know that a fish hook hurts fish..... I fish religiously, but have empathy for a fish and feel guilt for a fish I disable or kill that I do not eat it...

lol what do you do, rub their little heads and go I'm sorry little buddy, I promise your death will be quick and painless....then string them on your line or put them in your bucket and later whack them on the head and gut them lol

Dude don't take this forum so seriously....you only have to follow the rules in like 2 or 3 forums of this whole place.
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