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Old 02-19-2005, 06:59 PM   #1
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Conjoined twins seperated.

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Doctors removed a conjoined twin's head, killing it. Any comments?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/02/1...reut/index.html
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Old 02-20-2005, 07:26 AM   #2
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Well it wasn't capable of independant life, so big whoop?

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Old 02-20-2005, 12:17 PM   #3
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Lots of conjoined twins aren't capable of independant life. It is still life. For a liberal, you certainly have little respect for a lot of things.
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Old 02-20-2005, 01:48 PM   #4
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Life as a half-working head...yeah, that sounds like a blast lol. Besides, the head was described as parasitic in the article, meaning it was one of those situations where one twin was stealing from another's life.

And aren't Liberals the ones that are pro-abortion and pro-medical science? Technically I'd be falling right in line on this issue, only the Conservatives would make a deal out of it.

It should also be pointed out that don't classify myself as a Liberal, just more left than right. I disagree with both sides on alot of issues. I favor rights, freedoms, equality, and progress. Figure out my positions from there lol.

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Old 02-20-2005, 01:50 PM   #5
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

No, it means that the head was living off of the other, not taking life from it.

Also, this isn't an abortion issue. The children were 9 months old, and the child killed was capable of expression.
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Old 02-20-2005, 07:08 PM   #6
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

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No, it means that the head was living off of the other, not taking life from it.


ummm isn't that really the same thing

i don't really feel too bad for them, cause i am sure the parents knew of the risks and accepted them anyways, and went through with the operation
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Old 02-20-2005, 07:09 PM   #7
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

No, parasitic means any number of things. This was obviously not symbiosis, but the child wasn't actually hurting the other one. It had a seperate brain. It was obviously able to think.
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Old 02-21-2005, 04:40 AM   #8
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Jimi.. why do you seem so upset about this?

Whats the big deal? it was a HEAD for christ sakes.. have you seen the picture of them?
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It seems your trying to rile up folks to have an issue with something that is really a NON issue.. could you let your child live with a head stuck to its body.. because that head blinked at you? Could you let your child go through school being looked at , teased, and let to believe they were an outcast becuase of this? Kids have it rough in school as it is. cmon.. think about it. This isnt an abortion issue.. this isnt killing SOMEONE.. its removing an extra appendage that just so happens to be a head. This child now has a CHANCE at a normal life..

cmon dude. you must have other things to search for.. this is trival. and I dont see an issue with how they treated this case. If you do.. promise me you wont run for any goverment offices..



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Old 02-21-2005, 03:04 PM   #9
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

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Symbioses can be mutualistic (all partners benefiting), commensalistic (one benefiting and the others unharmed), or parasitic (one benefiting and the others harmed)


Parasitic means that one lives by weakening the other. That's the ONLY thing that it CAN mean I'm afraid.

Imagine this: One heart, 2 lungs, but they have to support an extra head. That's parasitic, and a waste of the body's resources.

I don't exactly get worked up about the death of a creature that could never live. Maybe if you were talking cases about a doctor giving a patient the wrong drugs and it lead to his death, THEN I'd care, but this is a non-issue.

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Old 02-21-2005, 03:06 PM   #10
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Symbiosis is a type of parastism.
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Old 02-21-2005, 03:26 PM   #11
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

No...you have that backwards. Biology 101.

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Old 02-21-2005, 03:28 PM   #12
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

No, I don't have it backward. Symbiosis is parasitism with equal value to both parasites. Now you're going to try to argue with me on my area of expertise?

Main Entry: sym·bi·o·sis
Pronunciation: "sim-bE-'O-s&s, -"bI-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sym·bi·o·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin, from German Symbiose, from Greek symbiOsis state of living together, from symbioun to live together, from symbios living together, from syn- + bios life -- more at QUICK
1 : the living together in more or less intimate association or close union of two dissimilar organisms
2 : the intimate living together of two dissimilar organisms in a mutually beneficial relationship; especially : MUTUALISM
3 : a cooperative relationship (as between two persons or groups) <the symbiosis... between the resident population and the immigrants -- John Geipel>

Both hosts/parasites need eachother to ensure a better survival. Take the Clownfish/anemone for example. The anemone delivers safety for the clownfish, while the clownfish brings food to the anemone. They are both considered parasitic symbiosis.
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Old 02-22-2005, 10:01 AM   #13
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.

Sorry about this...dammit...

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The types of symbiotic relationships are mutualism, commensalism, parasitism, and amensalism.



From the Online Medical Dictionary <- Link

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Old 02-22-2005, 10:12 AM   #14
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Re: Conjoined twins seperated.



This is what you are arguing about, Jimi. This head had no chance at life. NONE!

It is not like the women that are joined at the head, the ones that have been on Jerry Springer, etc. They at least can function. They have two WHOLE bodies, two COMPLETE sets of organs, etc.

This poor head, while it was capable of expression, smiling, blinking, etc, was not capable of life. Who's to say those 'expressions' were not just automated responses? You don't think about blinking, do you? You don't think about smiling all the time, some times it just happens, and you cannot help yourself.

Haven't you ever seen that old Nazi footage, where they took a severed dog's head and hooked it up to some wiring and made it whine, its ears twitched, it snarled? A semblance of life is not life.

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