Jimi

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My mother manages 70 people, and has to have the ability for any of them to call her at any time. She just called the local phone company for a new phone line. The person on the phone is.... in India. So, for a local phone line, she is talking to someone in India. India, for those who don't know, is in Asia. Asia, for those who don't know, is on the other side of the world. So, why is she talking to someone in INDIA to set up a new phone in TEXAS? We need more jobs in the US. We need work for people. We are giving our jobs away to India, and Pakistan, and the Philippines, and Turkey, and Hungary, and so on.

In Econ 101, you learn about circular flow. Money goes from the employer, to the employee, back to the employer. This circular flow is cut out in cases of outsourcing. The money goes from the employer, to the employee in another country, therefore losing that money completely. Everytime someone in another country gets paid money that someone INSIDE the US could be getting, our economy goes down.

It seems that every time I need to call someone for any kind of service, it goes to another country.

Indigenous

Because someone in India isn't going to complain about making $.70/hr and will likely have never even heard of employee benefits.

What bugs me even more is that there are plenty of companies out there who are offered millions of dollars by state and federal governments to keep their workforce here in the U.S. What has happened numerous times is that the company will accept this money and then move overseas anyways.

Here in WI, Maytag was given $40 million dollars by the state to build a new production facility and expand their workforce by 200 or so people. What Maytag did instead was take the money and hightail it down to Brazil.

Esco

I got my BA in Computer Information Systems from my university. That same university is now outsourcing it's IT positions to India. They educate people and take thousands and thousands of dollars from people, then rather than giving those jobs to former students, they send them overseas.

Can you believe that shit???

Jimi

It disgusts me! When did this country become a country for the big business, rather than a country for the citizens?!

Juana!

sorry to jump on things I'm very ignorant..I'm just a girl...

but do not you guys think that also part of the problem is the unions/workers demanding higher pay? i do not know if is true... but for what i hear the ladies holding those "go slow" and "stop" signs on construction sites make 20-25 dlls /hr.

if everybody is going to make more money... does not that afftect the price of the end product? causing inflation and going into a vicious circle where more pay is demanded?

Most of the time we think only on big corportaions when we see outsorcing... I have a friend in Portland that has a Software company... he makes money, but he is not bill gates... he explained to me that in order for him to hire american programers here he would have to a have a 6 figure payroll, with the amount of bussines he makes... he rather work for someone... or go outsorcing to India/Mexico/Pakistan and have the same work done, and have a better chance to make a profit

Sidetrack: Sports.. let's talk baseball... is not that the most outsorced company you ever seen? how many people complain about that? Automotive: all of those guys driving those export cars or export made cars... do they think they are just making a big foreign company rich or do they think in value of product/cost?

I guess everyone is part of the problem when we consume products that do not directly benefit the american worker... but again.... everyone thinks on their butt and try to get the cheapest service /product available... next time you go to local grocery store, check those little labels on fruit... product from Mexico/ Chile/ Costa Rica etc... why? because it is cheaper to buy that from them than to have a farmer paying higher costs to get the same end result

going to hide before the stones are thrown just kidding

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Jimi

To start.... how is baseball outsourced?

Also, Unions are not what they used to be. They used to almost be strongarms for the working man. These jobs overseas aren't restricted to automotive or software companies. Why should I call India for computer help with a Dell, or Pakistan for help with my telephone service? The fact is, there are so many people in the US who need jobs, and people in other countries getting these jobs.

Granted, they make a huge profit by outsourcing, but that's because of a few things. There are tax breaks on companies that invest in outsourcing. How is it possible for our government to give tax breaks to companies that invest in outsourcing? It should be the other way around! Also, as Indigenous said, people work for pennies an hour. They are being taken advantage of, while people sit fat in corporate offices. These fat people will stay fat, while other people in the US fall into poverty. We're forming a caste system here!

Juana!

jajajajaa my bad.. about baseball... no wonder can not diferrentiate between a 3 pointer and a dunk !!

It makes a lot of sense what you put in the last post.. it is just not only the corporation people the one at fault here... but I guess everyone is... us for supporting a service ... government for giving corporate welfare... us for supporting the government officers thru our vote... us for not demanding some kind of accountability from the government

good post jimmi... and I'm sorry about the baseball comment... was thinking other thing

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AmorMiHombre

To start, the MVP of playoffs can barely speak english...some very prominent players on the Yanks can only say "thank you" in English.....

I guess paying someone from another country millions (especially those that cannot even speak english) is a form of outsourcing?? At least they pay taxes. :Dunno:


Huh??

And there aren't many cars that AREN'T foreign (top selling luxury cars especially)....besides, aren't the US brand cars made outside the US for the most part nowadays?

Sorry for any incoherency, i'm tired and don't want to use my brain. I need nap bad.

Jimi

Some, not all. I guess that's true. So, outside of baseball.............

Plus, most do speak english. Also, the players in America live in America. They don't live in masses in Pakistan. If the Yankees moved to Namibia, I'd probably be pretty upset!

Jimi

Toyota just opened up a manufactering plant in San Antonio.

AmorMiHombre

Ah the infamous Toyota plant.....how are the plant-torching plans coming along?? ;-)

PS AmEx uses Indians...i once had to talk to them about my yearly dues and i couldnt understand a damn word she was saying her accent was so thick =/

Lorill

Guys, guys, guys. Last I checked we lived in a capitalist society. The purpose of ANY company, not just corporate conglomorates, is to make money. If they can do that by outsourcing some jobs, then companies grow. As companies grow, more job opportunities open up inside our border. Like it or not, corporations are what keeps are economy going. They are the ones providing millions of jobs. What is good for them is good for the economy in most cases. If you force corporations to use only expensive US labor, then they will have to downsize in other areas.

This topic is so much more complicated than some of you are implying.

I don't mean to sound like the cold-hearted capitalist, but someone needed to play devil's advocate.

Jimi

Well... that is, of course, if you disregard simple economics.

Lorill

So, what "simple economics" do you know of that disputes what I said?