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Old 05-28-2004, 02:24 PM   #76
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...here we go again. Take it easy. Existence of God is a great subject as long as you don't get into name calling and finger pointing.

And Lorill, you're forgetting the some people believe not because they "choose to" but rather they "want to". (...but I don't know if that's any better)
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Old 05-28-2004, 02:28 PM   #77
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...here we go again. Take it easy. Existence of God is a great subject as long as you don't get into name calling and finger pointing.

And Lorill, you're forgetting the some people believe not because they "choose to" but rather they "want to". (...but I don't know if that's any better)


Agreed. Name calling and such are sure signs of ignorance! I will retaliate twice as hard when someone attacks me though...
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Old 05-28-2004, 06:39 PM   #78
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...here we go again. Take it easy. Existence of God is a great subject as long as you don't get into name calling and finger pointing.

And Lorill, you're forgetting the some people believe not because they "choose to" but rather they "want to". (...but I don't know if that's any better)




People will believe what they WANT to believe. People see what they WANT to see, hear what they WANT to hear, experience what they WANT to experience. It is a common psychological phenomena. You learn this in your first psychology class. There are so many studies to confirm this.

However, believing something because you WANT to believe it is not open-minded. An open-minded individual will weigh all sides of the argument and choose the best side.

All you people claiming that religion is faith, and is thus illogical, are clearly misguided. Religion is a matter of TRUTH. Truth conforms to REALITY. There are so many signs that point to the existence of God, far outweighing the "problems" against the existence of God.

Things such as the beauty of nature, the existence of life from the incomprehesibly small odds of the Big Bang, the objective morality inherent in us all...

Debating this topic is perhaps a bit foolish, because people will still WANT to believe what they want. Arguments will very rarely change a person's mind. And yet, here I am.....
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:52 PM   #79
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God exists...
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Old 05-29-2004, 02:13 PM   #80
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I'll believe in him when I see him..

which will prolly be never because Im going to hwll when I die
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:11 PM   #81
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A great book for you science guys that also want to know what kind of things we have that point to God's existence is called The Science of God. It is very in depth and I read it several times to help reconcile what I know about science and what I believe about God. As far as the debate here, noone can make someone else believe in God or anything else. That's a choice we all make. Most of us make that decision subconsciously and have not much control over what we believe. Deep thinking and turning over of ideas until they lock in place is what gets me fitting in the missing pieces of all kinds of theories eventually making up what I see as reality.
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Old 06-02-2004, 06:13 AM   #82
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well if there woud be a god why is there so much pain and suffering simple question, but god would have kept the world a more simple place
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Old 06-03-2004, 02:48 PM   #83
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god is an adult version of santa claus....if you are good, you a present.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:11 PM   #84
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This "debate" has been discussed for ages, with no resolution in sight. The main reason for not being able to reconcile the two sides, at least in my opinion, has to do with some simple rules of logic. The main one is that you cannot prove the non-existance of something. It simply can't be done. Also, the way modern religions work is that you have to rely on faith. You can't prove faith. Either you belive in all this or you don't. There really isn't anything to discuss. No scientific backing on either side can EVER pove either side correct.
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Old 06-08-2004, 05:39 PM   #85
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its so of a common question many people would ask. Well I would say yes, I believe in god, and why? God is defined to be a perfect man, so if you believe if there is a perfect man or not. and perfect depends what is exactly perfect in a man? so yes I believe in god, but who is god? i dont know.
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Old 06-09-2004, 12:16 AM   #86
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -- Albert Einstein
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Old 06-09-2004, 06:41 PM   #87
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None of you (except for one) say you believe in any particular God... some of you have even mentioned the "Christian God" and you state several reasons for saying so... one person said if you don't obey his "10 rules" also known as the ten commandments that you will go to hell. I'd like to try to clear up some things. God, the one that sent Jesus, created us. so... he KNOWS we're born sinners. If you're a believer, you're going to keep on sinning- the idea is that you try NOT to sin in order to please God. Not because you will get a reward for not sinning- but because you simply want to please him. If you believe that Jesus Christ was God and sent himself back in human form to die for our sins and then 3 days later was raised from the dead- then you are saved and will spend eternity with your true father in Heaven. Also an interesting idea *if you believe in God and commit you're life to him and it turns out he doesn't actually exist... what do you lose - an honorable life... if you decide NOT to follow God and you're wrong-what happens? You spend eternity in Hell* I'd rather not take my chances.
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:00 PM   #88
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Education and enlightenmight go hand-in-hand with tolerance and acceptance. The further we humans separate each other through our religions, the further we separate ourselves from divinity.
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Old 06-10-2004, 01:10 AM   #89
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[QUOTE=mental0 Also an interesting idea *if you believe in God and commit you're life to him and it turns out he doesn't actually exist... what do you lose - an honorable life... if you decide NOT to follow God and you're wrong-what happens? You spend eternity in Hell* I'd rather not take my chances.[/QUOTE]

That's called Pascal's Wager... surprisingly named for an argument made by Blaise Pascal. It's been beaten to death by theists as justification for their belief. And, truthfully, it also really isn't that "interesting" of an idea, sorry. Since you can't come up with justification of your own, I won't bother to, either. Here's my refutation: http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/wager.html
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