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I read somewhere around that federal taxes where anti-constitucional... will do more reasearch about it later... what are your toughts reagarding this and also regarding the IRS?

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michaeljohn

Supposedly, the IRS has no right to collect taxes, but they do anyway. I know of a method you can use to avoid paying taxes at all. Basically what you do is resign your US citizenship, surrender your Social Security Number and become a resident of the sovereign state you reside in. You must immediately file for a refund on your last several years income taxes paid. You lose all rights to federal aid, not sure about laws in the seperate states. There is/was a group that promoted this about 10 years ago, they called themselves the Patriots. I do know someone that successfully did this, he lives in Las Vegas.

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I'd love to do away with the IRS! Why? Cause not even AOL can touch their level of evilness and corruption!
I say scrap the current tax code (all 26 volumes of it), and start from scratch. However, this will never happen cause there are so many loopholes in the current system. And there are some people in power that can prevent it from changing and becoming simpler. Just realize people, that when the commissioner of the IRS doesn't do his own taxes... something is wrong. But do you really blame him for not doing his own taxes when the 26 volumes stack over 12feet high?

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Yeah I don't know who started this rumor that taxes is unconstitutional. While there are a number of laws that are not in the constitution such as vandalism to mailboxes, which I would suggest steering clear of since it is a federal felony that will pretty much secure you position as a McDonalds fry manager.

But Your requirement to pay taxes is written directly into the U.S. Constitution. Read it, it is actually very short but,
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 states:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

So I would not recommend not paying them, and you can't ask for citizenship from a state, citizenship is a right also given to the feds and states cannot enact any law abridging the powers of the federal government. So your friend in Vegas might be in for a bit of a surprise

michaeljohn

First you need to activate your account, check your email for the letter webrats sent you.

The big advocates of abolishing the IRS take offense to the clause you quote in the constitution. Congress has the right, but the IRS often works under its own authority. I haven't researched this in 10 years and am not clear on all the technicallities, you would have to try to find information on the Patriots group, or other similar ones to see the counter arguments. But suffice it to say, they make some convincing arguments that IRS authority may be unconstitutional.

Well, my friend is doing well as a citizen of the sovereign state of Nevada. His social security number is legally 000-00-0000. Also, the IRS refunded his back income tax payed when he resigned his US Citizenship.

I have nothing more to offer about this I just made a few points in case anyone wanted to research if they can get out of paying taxes. I showed the initial steps. Putting it into action is up to you. If you feel your rights are being offended by paying income tax, look into more of the methods I outlined. Good luck, I can't help anymore.

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Lorill

^^^ My bro-in-law does this I think. I am about to be a CPA and I still don't get it.

Bush has talked about reforming the tax code dramatically. There is even a plan that is picking up steam to do away with payroll taxes and have a flat sales tax of 27% to 30%. This would save around 4-5 trillion dollars a year in eliminating the IRS. I don't think it will ever happen (and as a CPA, I hope it never will).

CD

23-30% sales tax would fuck lower income level families. There needs to be an exception for families making under $_____ a year, so that they don't have to pay sales tax.

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VIVIX

Rich people don't care about lower income families...

Lorill

But they wouldn't be paying income tax.

squish

This is what Bush and the GOP are proposing,
The flat sales tax idea - if person A makes $200,000 and person B makes $60,000 and person C makes $30,000 and everyone spends the same amount each month on food and goods, lets, say $1,000 a month (just a number picked out of nowhere) and there is a 30% sales tax, which comes to $300. That means Person A , B, and C all pay $3600 in sales tax each year (${1,000 x .3} x 12 ) thsi means that person A , who makes $200,000 a year will pay $3600 , or 1.8 % in taxes, person B will pay $3600, or 6% in taxes. and person C will end up paying 12 % in sales taxes . Now this is just an example, but studies show that most peopel in the higher tax brackets saveand invest more and spend a smaller percentage of their income on actual goods and services, which means the more you make the less of your income you will actually have to pay in a so, called "National Sales tax", and the less you make, the more of your income you will end up spending on "a national sales tax" because you would be spending more of your income on crazy things like food and gas and less going into stocks and bonds.
Thanks George B.!!!!

Lorill

That is the worst example I have ever heard. The whole point of it is that Person A, B, and C aren't going to spend the same amount of money on goods and services.

"Rep. John Linder, R-Ga., a six-term representative, dismisses the central criticism of a national sales tax — that it would disproportionately tax the poor — by saying they would be exempted."

The poor would not pay anything.

The biggest argument for the national sales tax is that it would make the U.S. a more competitive market with the elimination of corporate payroll taxes. We'd become the world's biggest tax haven and foreign capital would be in our markets. Virtually every international corporation located elsewhere would build their plants in the U.S. for the same reason.

So all the Bush haters like you, squish, who like to whine about outsourcing, there ya go.

squish

Why the hell would the U.S. ever become a corporate tax haven this way? You actually believe that companies are going to just forget about the cost of wages that they would have to pay , plus all the OSHA laws that they would have to abide by to relocate plants in the U.S.?? THink About it!!!
Why pay 15 cents an hour in India or madagasgar when you could come over here and pay an american worker $10/hour, and pay Social security, Fica, etc??? - it still wouldn't be enough of an incentivce to bring plants over here- think about what you write.
There are already many places companies can go (Bahamas for one) that offer corparate tax havens, low wages, and no work place or environmental laws that are expensive to abide by. But a few corporate home offices with a small work force in each won't make up the taxes they would loose under that plan.

Yeah, lets all trust Bush, he never lied to us (???)

squish

What other country has a national sales tax??? please give me an example, lets see how well they are doing, if they even exist.

Get back to work Lorill, I think the french fries are burning.

CD

They don't know either.

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