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06-29-2006, 02:32 AM

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Transfering Hard Drive Data...

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Well some of you may have read my recent posts on the specs for my computer and just recently i had a computer problem arise. My sister got a new computer about 2 years ago, her old computer was running windows 98. Besides my brother (who is a computer programmer but way too busy with work to deal with any more stress and problems) i am the only one in the family who is actually very interested in computers and knows anything about them in a building/upgrading or just more advanced usage. My sister realized teh other day that she needed a large amount of files from her old computer's HD, right away i got my dad to dig the computer out of the attic and i took the needed HD out. Her current computer is running Xp home edition with SP2. she has two HD's so i unplugged her slave drive, and replaced it with the HD from her old computer. It just so happens that her last computer only had 1 HD, which is the master drive of course. As soon as i hooked up her old HD to her current computer with the current master still in place, windows 98 would boot and it would not even acknowledge the existance of even a CD Burner let alone any other HD's. So i decided to take out the xp home master and put my slave in its place, thus figuring i would boot into 98 and transfer the files into the slave, then take out the old HD, plug in the master drive and vuala i thought i would have all the files. Little did i know it would still not even show that i had any other drives present. This is urgent, my sister needs these files for her completion of university and her prof is only giving her 1 week left to hand everything in. Please if you could help me in any way, it would be much apreciated.

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06-29-2006, 11:48 AM	#2
milliardo whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, ca Posts: 109/0.12 Threads: 4 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... this is a case of needing to change the jumper setting on that old 98 drive. take a look at the drive and find the diagrams that show different jumper setting positions and what they mean. if it is what i think it is, that drive's jumper has it set to Master which makes it the boot drive or the master drive on either of the two IDE lines from the motherboard. if you change it to CS (cable select) or Slave you should be able to run it as the slave to the original XP master drive from that computer. IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, simply hook your sister's hard drives back up and, instead of replacing one of the hard drives with the old 98 disk, replace the CD rom drive with it. i'm assuming the CD rom is on the secondary IDE line. if you do it that way you should be able to see all three of the drives in windows.

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06-29-2006, 03:10 PM	#3
wolf68k always howling Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,052/0.58 Threads: 17 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... The 98 should see the CDburner just fine. It's strange that it didn't. The reason why the 98 didn't see the XP's slave drive is because it's formated to NTFS which 98 cannot read. 98 can only read FAT (aka FAT16) and FAT32. XP can see FAT, FAT32 and NTFS. DO NOT use the cable select method. Because you need to know which spot on the IDE cable is the slave and which is the master and depending on who you ask you'll get a different story. So you'll end up doing a bit of trial and error before it'll work...if it'll work at all. Set the 98 drive to Slave and XP should boot like normal and see the 98 drive as a slave.

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06-29-2006, 07:25 PM	#4
milliardo whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, ca Posts: 109/0.12 Threads: 4 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... that's an even more fail-safe idea. cable select would work if it is the second take-out on the cable, though. it sounds like the computer's main drive isn't set to master by jumper either otherwise there would have been an issue at boot time with two drives on the same IDE line both set to master. i hate computers.

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06-30-2006, 01:03 AM	#5
wolf68k always howling Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,052/0.58 Threads: 17 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... Don't be so sure. I once installed a DVD drive that was given to me by a friend. I had a master and slave CD drives; CD-ROM master, CDRW slave. I forgot to check the jumpers and the boot went fine, I just had turned away while the Post for the BIOS was displayed. Removed the CD-ROM and kept the CDRW (obviously) and the DVD-ROM was set as slave as well. Once booted....well I forget exactly what happened. It was either that only one of the drives mounted, which I think was the CDRW. Or neither drive mounted. But the BIOS never put up any red flags like if your mouse or keyboard are unplugged....which I still think is funny to see the error "No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue."

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06-30-2006, 07:35 PM	#6
milliardo whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, ca Posts: 109/0.12 Threads: 4 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... "No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue." that's a classic. on the subject of your post about the CD rom drives...i've never been able to get two CD drives to work on the same IDE cable. i've always had to mix them with hard disks or else only the master of the two would show up in Windows. spooky stuff.

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07-01-2006, 01:17 AM	#7
wolf68k always howling Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,052/0.58 Threads: 17 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... You've got HDDs on the same IDE chain as a CD/DVD drive? Well your HDDs are not working up to par. Having a CD/DVD drive on the same chain as a HDD is a bad idea and will slow down the access (read and write) of your HDD. At least this is what I've been told many times by tech geeks a helluva lot smarter than me, and that have more than likely been there. Make sure the drivers have their jumper set to either master or slave, one master and one slave. And that neither one is set to cable select (CS), or that one is set to master (or slave) and the other to CS. Becuase of some many issues with CS with knowing which slot on the IDE cable is master and slave and like I said before it all depends on who you ask. Plus I've also read that you need a cable that is made to use CS and most are not designed that way.

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07-03-2006, 04:54 AM	#8
storm_cs whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 42/0.05 Threads: 6 Friends Network	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... thank you all for your input on my situation, i will be taking all of your advise into mind and inform you on my progress! Thanks again!

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07-04-2006, 04:07 PM	#9
licupssy Mad Man From Azkaban Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: #12 Grimmauld Place Posts: 7,218/7.56 Threads: 410 Friends Network Gold Member	Re: Transfering Hard Drive Data... The first thing I wondered how you determined which drive was master and which was slave. Because if the master/slave were checked then you should have know to set the Old drive's jumper to slave. It is also may be noted that the jumper set up can be different among model drives even from the same manufacturer which complicates things abit more unless you have the diagrams for the specific drives your using. (Check on line with drive manufacturer's site) If you went by the position on the cable, you could have pulled the wrong drive since with Drive jumpering it doesn't matter which connection is used on the master drive. It must also be noted that more modern mother boards have a setup option to pick the boot drive so it really wouldn't matter if the master or slave drive was used as the boot drive in this case. Whichever drive is set at the top of the list becomes the boot drive. W98 doesn't support ntfs partitoned drives and probably doesn't have the necessary drivers for the new CDRW. You best bet is to go back to sqaure one. Determine the slave drive and remove it. Make sure the system will boot without the slave drive. If it will boot then rejumper the W98 drive to slave install it and boot up again. If it comes up in W98 then restart and check the bios for a boot drive option. You'll have to know the model numbers of the two drives to set up the right one as the boot drive. If you still have a problem then there may be a conflict with hare drives being from different manufacturers. If this doesn't work then you may want to do a direct cable connection between the two computers. You'll need to setup the old computer with monitor, keyboard, and mouse (replace its hard drive - jumpered back to master). then go out and get a parallel to parallel cable to connect the two computers together. you can also use an serial (RS232c) cable setup. Make sure both computers have the necessary port connections. The directions for parallel cable seem easier then the Serial set up. Check Windows Help. You can follow the directions in Windows Help to complete the setup with the new computer as guest and the old computer as host. You should be able to get the cable locally if not do a search on parallel to parallel cable. I know you can get one on line. Good luck!
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